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Which car would you choose and negotiation tactics
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:57 pm
I’m looking to buy a new car that both has a decent 0 - 60 time, many of the bells and whistles you would expect on a new car, but can also fit a couple car seats in the back. Looking in the ~ $50,000 range, I have come up with 4 options.
The first are your classic European staples, Mercedes and Audi. Both with turbocharged 2.0l four-cylinder engines that produce about 260 hp with a 0 - 60 of ~ 5.7 seconds. Neither of the ones I have found have all the upgrades, but are pretty well equipped with 10” infotainment screens, backup cameras etc. 4yr / 50,000 mile warranties on these.
Mercedes Benz C-300 Premium
Audi A5 45 Sportback
The next two are relative newcomers in Kia and Genesis, which have introduced their competitors to the European standards. Each of these has a twin turbo V-6 producing 368 hp with a 0 - 60 of 4.5 seconds.
Their top of the line models have damn near everything you could squeeze into a car, wireless charging, overhead camera, HUD, heated and cooled seats, adaptive cruise control, Napaa leather, etc. The Kia is billed as a pure sports sedan while the Genesis has a smoother, quieter ride and billed as a luxury alternative. 10 yr / 100,000 warranties on these with 3 yr / 36,000 mile complementary maintenance on the Genesis.
Kia Stinger GT2
Genesis G70 Sport Prestige
Which would you have? Also, would you tell the dealers that you were just casually looking around and might be looking to get into a new car, or go full out and tell them you are shopping these 4 cars and whoever gives the best price would get a sale in the next couple days?
The first are your classic European staples, Mercedes and Audi. Both with turbocharged 2.0l four-cylinder engines that produce about 260 hp with a 0 - 60 of ~ 5.7 seconds. Neither of the ones I have found have all the upgrades, but are pretty well equipped with 10” infotainment screens, backup cameras etc. 4yr / 50,000 mile warranties on these.
Mercedes Benz C-300 Premium
Audi A5 45 Sportback
The next two are relative newcomers in Kia and Genesis, which have introduced their competitors to the European standards. Each of these has a twin turbo V-6 producing 368 hp with a 0 - 60 of 4.5 seconds.
Their top of the line models have damn near everything you could squeeze into a car, wireless charging, overhead camera, HUD, heated and cooled seats, adaptive cruise control, Napaa leather, etc. The Kia is billed as a pure sports sedan while the Genesis has a smoother, quieter ride and billed as a luxury alternative. 10 yr / 100,000 warranties on these with 3 yr / 36,000 mile complementary maintenance on the Genesis.
Kia Stinger GT2
Genesis G70 Sport Prestige
Which would you have? Also, would you tell the dealers that you were just casually looking around and might be looking to get into a new car, or go full out and tell them you are shopping these 4 cars and whoever gives the best price would get a sale in the next couple days?
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:00 pm to Tbonepatron
They are all useless to me.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:01 pm to Tbonepatron
Nothing says $30K millionaire like a C class Benz. Get a Camry or Accord.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:01 pm to Tbonepatron
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would you tell the dealers that you were just casually looking around and might be looking to get into a new car, or go full out and tell them you are shopping these 4 cars and whoever gives the best price would get a sale in the next couple days?
No one, and I mean NO ONE, has ever tried either of those tactics.....
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:02 pm to Tbonepatron
Genesis all day.
People might turn their nose up because it's a Hyundai. But it's got a 10yr/100k warranty. Plus the complimentary maintenance.
I've driven both the new A5 and the G70. They're comparable. But one will be in and out the shop forever. The other will not.
People might turn their nose up because it's a Hyundai. But it's got a 10yr/100k warranty. Plus the complimentary maintenance.
I've driven both the new A5 and the G70. They're comparable. But one will be in and out the shop forever. The other will not.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:02 pm to Tbonepatron
You should absolutely go with one of the more expensive, less equipped Europen models. They scream status but lack all of the things peaseants crave, like comfort and affordable maintenance.
The best part is, the pleabs won't know that you're in a stripped down model that costs roughly what their Kia costs.
The best part is, the pleabs won't know that you're in a stripped down model that costs roughly what their Kia costs.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:04 pm to baseballmind1212
Genesis's are legit.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:04 pm to Tbonepatron
I wouldn't buy any of those POS cars.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:05 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I'm doubtful cars seats will fit in the C300 and allow the front seats to me in a comfortable position. Those cars are tiny.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:05 pm to Tbonepatron
Maybe the Genesis. Then I'd drive it to the nearest 4 dealership for a King Ranch.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:06 pm to Tbonepatron
The stinger is pretty badass, and people are getting pretty amazing deals on them.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:07 pm to Tbonepatron
I'll get downvoted here, but that Stinger is far and away the best car for the money in that set.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:08 pm to Tbonepatron
If you are buying (and not leasing), I would stay away from the Audi. My wife has had a few and when things break (out of warranty) the parts and labor are outrageous. She loved her Audi's but I swore after the last one I would never BUY another again. Since they are not as "common" like the Mercedes, their parts are expensive as hell and not a lot of folks around (other than dealership) to work on them.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:08 pm to Tbonepatron
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Also, would you tell the dealers that you were just casually looking around and might be looking to get into a new car, or go full out and tell them you are shopping these 4 cars and whoever gives the best price would get a sale in the next couple days?
I'd also walk in there and tell them my top number on a monthly payment. Give them a number to shoot for
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:10 pm to Tbonepatron
Audi looks the best, especially in that color combo. If I was actually buying one, it would be either the Kia or Genesis after test driving.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:11 pm to Tbonepatron
Since money seems to matter.
DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT buy the Audi or Mercedes.
The oil changes alone will break you. Listen to the people telling you to get one of the other cars.
DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT buy the Audi or Mercedes.
The oil changes alone will break you. Listen to the people telling you to get one of the other cars.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:11 pm to Tbonepatron
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Also, would you tell the dealers that you were just casually looking around and might be looking to get into a new car, or go full out and tell them you are shopping these 4 cars and whoever gives the best price would get a sale in the next couple days?
Todays car market is just like the housing market, with the demand, and lack of inventory the best price usually means how much over MSRP you are going to have to pay.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:46 pm to Tbonepatron
Never negotiate.
You pick the one you want, with the options you want. You research the actual price of the car you picked with the options you picked.
Set your price that you will pay.
Tell them what you want, that you know your price (which you never tell them what that magic number is) and then tell them to talk to whatever manager they need to to give you their bottom line price. Tell them once they give a price it will either meet your set price or it won't. There is no negotiating and no let me talk to the manager again .. if they could have done better .. they should have. No second chances.
Simply shop a few dealerships with the same strategy .. and let them all know you have shopped around.
One of them will give you a deal you were not expecting that more then meets your price.
You pick the one you want, with the options you want. You research the actual price of the car you picked with the options you picked.
Set your price that you will pay.
Tell them what you want, that you know your price (which you never tell them what that magic number is) and then tell them to talk to whatever manager they need to to give you their bottom line price. Tell them once they give a price it will either meet your set price or it won't. There is no negotiating and no let me talk to the manager again .. if they could have done better .. they should have. No second chances.
Simply shop a few dealerships with the same strategy .. and let them all know you have shopped around.
One of them will give you a deal you were not expecting that more then meets your price.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:47 pm to Tbonepatron
If I absolutely, HAD to buy a car- it’s going to be a Toyota/Lexus.
I prefer 4wd and solid axles though.
I prefer 4wd and solid axles though.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:49 pm to Tbonepatron
Sorry but the Lexus pic & description is not loading.
You’ll probably be next happiest with the Genesis but you be you.
You’ll probably be next happiest with the Genesis but you be you.
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