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re: Where Have All the Teachers Gone?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:18 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:18 am to BluegrassBelle
I have talked to a lot of teachers that moved here after Katrina. Most of them transfer and transfer around until they find what they want. Nobody sticks with the tough jobs
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:23 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Where Have All the Teachers Gone?
Prison?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:29 am to upgrayedd
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I like how there wasn't even a math teacher interviewed. Just humanities, special ed, "ethnic studies", and a token lip-pierced d-bag science teacher. I think the choice of teachers interviewed explains a lot in that video. Looks like those teachers need to grow the frick up and stop pretending like they're still 19.
But your comment hits on a major issue with education. Where are the best math and science teachers? Are they teaching? Or are they practicing? Wouldn't we be better off with experts in math and science being teachers? Why don't we allow practitioners to be part time teachers?
Why does teaching have to be a full time job?
And if it is a full time job, why don't we respect those who commit their lives to the profession? Why don't we give them a voice in how education should be structured, how teachers should be compensated, and how students should be assessed?
The video is pretty spot on for what's wrong with education in America. As a former high school teacher and one who is in academia, I can't say that anything in the message was incorrect. Maybe you don't like the people speaking, but there's a reason why many posters on this board have no respect for teachers or the educational system, and those pink haired, lip-ringed, opera house specialists gave a good explanation for why that is.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:29 am to BluegrassBelle
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their baby who "does nothing wrong"
I think it's pronouced "dindu nuffin" but you're the teacher
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:30 am to Hammertime
Ironically before the changes in the district, jobs at the alternative schools were pretty sweet jobs. The test scores for their students get assigned to their resides/home school so the teachers there aren't accountable for the scores (completely fricked up but that's a whole other conversation). The students served an 8 week program and then were placed back in their resides school (or placed at another if there was an EPO or charges filed on the student for what sent them to the alternative school). There were typically only 5-6 students in a class with a teacher and an instructional assistant. And they employed enough security that there were multiple off duty officers on staff to keep kids in line while they were there. If they weren't, they were arrested and taken downtown to juvenile detention.
Now it's 30 kids in a class and the Principal there doesn't want police officers on the grounds because he said it "looks bad". So teachers are getting assaulted left and right and they're getting pressure from the district to not press charges on these kids because it "looks bad".
Now it's 30 kids in a class and the Principal there doesn't want police officers on the grounds because he said it "looks bad". So teachers are getting assaulted left and right and they're getting pressure from the district to not press charges on these kids because it "looks bad".
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:59 am to upgrayedd
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I like how there wasn't even a math teacher interviewed. Just humanities, special ed, "ethnic studies", and a token lip-pierced d-bag science teacher. I think the choice of teachers interviewed explains a lot in that video. Looks like those teachers need to grow the frick up and stop pretending like they're still 19.
You've pretty much summarized my point exactly. You cannot take these people seriously as the face of the teaching profession. If my child had a teacher that looked as outlandish as 90% of those in the video I would remove them from that school.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:10 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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If my child had a teacher that looked as outlandish as 90% of those in the video I would remove them from that school.
A couple of those "outlandish" looking folks in the video look like teachers in the school I currently work in. And it's one of the top schools in the state and nationally ranked.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:16 am to BluegrassBelle
Extremely unprofessional and sets a terrible example for children. I'm thankful the Catholic schools I attended had very strict appearance and grooming standards. Kids need discipline and that begins with your appearance.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:27 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Extremely unprofessional and sets a terrible example for children. I'm thankful the Catholic schools I attended had very strict appearance and grooming standards. Kids need discipline and that begins with your appearance.
To each his own. IMO it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about appropriate attire and professionalism. If they're depending upon a teacher to set that standard (and solely on the teacher's appearance no less) then they have bigger problems.
We have a pretty lax dress code for the students as well. And we have multiple students that have been accepted to Ivy League schools, have several National Merit Scholars, etc. As long as they know when and where certain dress is appropriate, I couldn't care less if they show up in pajamas as long as they're completing their course work/participating.
It's a pretty archaic rationale to assume that a dress code = the only opportunity to teach kids about discipline and professionalism.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:30 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
I know a married couple who have arm and hand tattoos that teach in an A rated public school here in Louisiana. I'm surprised that flys here. I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to a "teacher" who makes such terrible decisions.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:38 am to StringedInstruments
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And if it is a full time job, why don't we respect those who commit their lives to the profession? Why don't we give them a voice in how education should be structured, how teachers should be compensated, and how students should be assessed?
Ding Ding Ding
Twenty years in and no decision making power. I've seen the full cycle of teaching methods. Some brilliant research determines the best way to teach, it's implemented, it doesn't work, and on to the next thing. Are teachers ever consulted? No. How much sense does that make?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:31 am to DevilDogTiger
As far as "where have all the teachers gone?", it's pretty simple. I would tell anyone considering a career in education to run...run far away from that. Yes, I knew what I was signing up for, but conditions are only deteriorating. Pay increase fall far short of keeping up with the cost of living. Inability to remove disruptive/dangerous students handcuffs the person responsible for delivering what needs to be learned. Most parents defend the actions of their children no matter what those actions are (teacher is just picking on my child). Teacher evaluation is about the stupidest that I've ever seen it and is completely unfair. Testing is out of control. Teachers are retiring at rates so high that they can't be replaced by certified teachers, and not many are going into the field anymore. So, yeah, that's where all the teachers have gone.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:16 pm to Tiger1242
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people just don't want to work with kids who don't want to learn
And that starts at home my friends!!
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:37 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
This is part of the problem:
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:42 pm to Epic Cajun
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I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to a "teacher" who makes such terrible decisions.
At what point do you draw the line for a person who
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makes such terrible decisions
Arm tattoos? Children out of wedlock? Credit card debt? As a business owner, principal or parent I'd like to have the best available, and I totally agree that our kids need good role models, but I see some legal issues with using non job-related criterion in the hiring process.
Be a good role model as a parent and maybe try exposing your kids to making their own informed decisions and they can become intelligent, upstanding citizens who can teach the next generation.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:45 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Look at these "teachers", and they wonder why we don't take their jeremiads seriously.
The world apologizes for not being in the 1950s anymore.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:51 pm to tigerstripedjacket
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but I see some legal issues with using non job-related criterion in the hiring process.
I work in a hospital. I wouldn't have been hired if I had visible tattoos. It's part of hospital policy.
Children out of wedlock and credit card debt are not visible to the children that they are influencing.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:51 pm to OweO
Oweo
That really you ?!!!!!!!!
Wow, the dead do rise
That really you ?!!!!!!!!
Wow, the dead do rise
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:07 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Extremely unprofessional and sets a terrible example for children. I'm thankful the Catholic schools I attended had very strict appearance and grooming standards. Kids need discipline and that begins with your appearance.
I'm not sure reducing the size of the pool of potential applicants through an appearance pre-screening is the very best way to address the problem of not having enough successful applicants for the positions.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:46 pm to Hammertime
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Right now, I have a student teacher for an upper level engineering class
My grad school engineering staff is comprised of roughly 10 professors. Less than that for EE specifically.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 1:47 pm
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