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re: Where does 400 years of slavery come from?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:56 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:56 am to tgrbaitn08
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by tgrbaitn08 The blacks in Africa sold their own slaves to the whites in America.
Yes when it was purely classist. Then white Americans enslaved them off a concept of white supremacy and subsequently disenfranchised them for hundreds of years, in a nation that professed that all men were equal.
Why wouldn't it looked worse for "more civilized" folks to be acting worse than the "heathens" they despise?
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Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:57 am to Catman88
Because for some reason the revisionist history that is going on has America to be the world's core of racism and slavery.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:58 am to Rhino5
It wasn't race based.
End of discussion. And I'm pretty sure those African kings were propping up a truly free and democratic society, the first of its own kind
End of discussion. And I'm pretty sure those African kings were propping up a truly free and democratic society, the first of its own kind
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:58 am to JudgeHolden
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Does it matter? One day of slavery, of treating people like property because of the color of their skin, is wrong. Period.
No, you're right, it doesn't matter, I was just attempting to be funny
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:59 am to upgrayedd
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Damn, crackers
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:00 am to Volvagia
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Because for some reason the revisionist history that is going on has America to be the world's core of racism and slavery.
It's by in large was the worlds most disingenous and hypocritical.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:01 am to 995webmaster
Why should anyone here give a shite what Columbus was doing in Hispaniola or the Bahamas?
What does that have to do with the US or any territory that became a state?
What does that have to do with the US or any territory that became a state?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:02 am to StrongSafety
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End of discussion
You don't get to tell me when the discussion is over. That's oppressive and you of all people should know better
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:02 am to Volvagia
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Because for some reason the revisionist history that is going on has America to be the world's core of racism and slavery.
That's because we were one of the few countries that required a war to end it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:04 am to StrongSafety
What race has not seen slavery? What race has never been disenfranchised? Why do blacks single themselves out as being the only race to witness slavery?
Its a horrible act.
However this:
WILL NEVER = 400 years of slavery
To say otherwise is completely ignorant and a lie
Its a horrible act.
However this:
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in a nation that professed that all men were equal
WILL NEVER = 400 years of slavery
To say otherwise is completely ignorant and a lie
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:07 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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No slaves sold in America until mid 1600s
First time it was recorded was in 1619. A Dutch "Man of War" sold 20 Black people (didn't specify number of men, women, or children)
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:07 am to Catman88
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Why should anyone here give a shite what Columbus was doing in Hispaniola or the Bahamas?
Bruh, why you so mad? Columbus took over Puerto Rico(US Territory) in 1493, and enslaved/killed off all the Taino. Does it really matter whether it was 400 or 250?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:09 am to StrongSafety
I'm ok with you saying 113 years of slavery FWIW..
1896 US ratified the 14th Amendment to 1783 when we became officially recognized by foreign powers.
1896 US ratified the 14th Amendment to 1783 when we became officially recognized by foreign powers.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:13 am to brodeo
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That's because we were one of the few countries that required a war to end it.
That's a pretty loaded statement. Who knows when slavery would have otherwise been abolished, and the path was being walked for a long time prior to the war. It didn't "require" a war to end it. The war was because a faraway segment of the country was telling people how to live their lives.
Hmmmm, almost sounds like the premise of the Revolutionary War.
(And no, don't come back with a pithy comment about how they did have representation. That was only one of the catchy chants, not the underlying drive that made the situation feel distasteful to begin with)
In any case, NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with trying to center slavery on America.
I mean holy shite, you basically just said that under certain conditions, it's okay to ignore reality and perpetuate misleading statements to dogpile on a subject.....if they deserve it.
Oh, and here is a fact to rock your world: cling to the idea that we "needed a war to stop slavery," but also acknowledge that the main enslavers in recent history, have never stopped.
Africans are still enslaving each other TODAY, in similar situations as back then
But in your mind, Americans deserve a good part of the focus on slavery because a war ended it a CENTURY AND A HALF AGO.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:13 am to tgrbaitn08
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The blacks in Africa sold their own slaves to the whites in America.
That does not remove guilt from the whites in America. The blacks that sold each other into slavery is just as guilty as the white man in America. Who created the demand for this slave labor?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:13 am to Mung
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Does it really matter whether it was 400 or 250?
For the purpose of this thread... YES
Is that not the subject being discussed?
PR really? They didn't kill the Taino either.. Their mere presence killed them. They could have been best buds with every Taino person alive and the Taino would have met the same fate. That had nothing to do with how they were treated.
Taino are South American tribes. What does that have to do with African slavery anyways?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:15 am to brodeo
You said
So I was just clearing it up that although many of the residents from smaller outer island of the chain were enslaved, they weren't African. During that era almost any population, colony, (no matter ethnicity or race) etc that could not defend itself would be conquered and likely enslaved.
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, slavery of Africans by Europeans existed prior on the Canary Islands
So I was just clearing it up that although many of the residents from smaller outer island of the chain were enslaved, they weren't African. During that era almost any population, colony, (no matter ethnicity or race) etc that could not defend itself would be conquered and likely enslaved.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:15 am to Jakesonaplane
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And now the Jews control basically everything. They didn't whine that they deserved handouts. They buckled down and worked their way to the top
Jews were paid reparations.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:17 am to JudgeHolden
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Does it matter? One day of slavery, of treating people like property because of the color of their skin, is wrong. Period.
Color of their skin had nothing to do with it. There was an entire white slave trade where religious prisoners of the Church of England were sent over in droves. Not to mention the enslavement of natives of the new colonies. From someone who is Scotch-Irish and Native American, slavery used as an argument just ticks me off, because the enslavement of my ancestors is ignored. If what occurred post reconstruction, and during the lead up and carrying out of the Civil Rights movement is used, then I can be far more sympathetic. That was about skin color, slavery was not.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:22 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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That does not remove guilt from the whites in America.
I don't know a single white man or woman who owned anyone...I sure as hell haven't. Why should I feel guilty about something that happened LONG before I was born?
White Guilt, White Apologists, White Privilege...all horse shite. It's time for people to quit making excuses for their lives being shite and fix their own god damn problems...
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