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re: When was the United States at its peak - in relation to the world?

Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:04 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:04 pm to
The question posed was when were we at our peak, using other countries as a baseline. You currently have all of human knowledge in your hand. That alone makes right now tGOAT living on this planet. I don't understand how you can't account for tech, which is part of our progression.

ETA: Also, we are bigger, stronger, an faster than any point of human evolution. We would physically beat the frick out of any nation before is. The average male height was like 5'4" in the 1800s.
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Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:10 pm to
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We just slow-played the USSR economically. That is what defeated them eventually. WW2 ended and we were in far better shape than anyone. We had struck deals with the rest of world and had put missiles all around them...They were beaten then but just did not know it.


The struggle against Bolshevism didn't end in 1990 or 91. Who's to say the slow play isn't still on from their end? The USSR fell but Russia was just a means to an end. Communism tried to seize power in Western Europe as it's primary source. Russia just offered them the first viable option for takeover.
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Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:18 pm to
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Who's to say the slow play isn't still on from their end?


Me. Putin told Red Rifle after some pillow talk...RR told me. VERY reliable stuff...

Have you read 'The Accidental Superpower'? We talked about it here a while back...good book
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:20 pm to
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Have you read 'The Accidental Superpower'? We talked about it here a while back...good book



Cliffs? I don't feel like Googling I'm navigating a fantasy trade right now.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:34 pm to
July 4th, 1776



Been all downhill since then
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:35 pm to
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The attitude of the U.S. military and political leadership would never have permitted this, Patton notwithstanding.


Y'all don't give Chesty enough credit. He would've been right there with Patton. Just coming through the Far East. Would've been the best pinzer movement ever.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:40 pm to
Reagan era.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:44 pm to
This YOUNG country is no where near its peak.

The US controls the oceans, the skies and space. It is the economic and military superpower and will be for the next 50 years. It has so much strength it can make mistakes and blow through them.

Trying to say WWII or beyond was a peak is a lack of intelligence. Do some research people. Who is going to beat the United States? Who is going to invade? not in my lifetime.

Mexico in 2060 and beyond will be a political force. Poland will be a military force before that. Russia will be done.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:48 pm to
You missed my whole argument point. We were at the pinnacle of human and industrial technology in the 1940's and 50s, also. Nowadays, the gap is closing and turmoil is rising up on a global scale.

ETA Humans may be taller, heavier and stronger these days due to widespread use of growth hormones, enhancers and technique, but tougher, they are not.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:50 pm to
Relative to the rest of the world? Almost the entire 20th century.
Posted by YogaPants
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:51 pm to
thanks obama!
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 9:57 pm to
1945 or 1946. This is relative of course.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:00 pm to
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Trying to say WWII or beyond was a peak is a lack of intelligence. Do some research people. Who is going to beat the United States? Who is going to invade? not in my lifetime.


I reject the premise that foreign invasion is the biggest threat a national power faces. The British Empire didn't crumble because it was conquered by an enemy. The USSR likewise was never militarily conquered yet it fell like a house of cards. National decline has many factors and rise and decline are the norm in human history.

You are correct. America is young but our future as a stable, hegemonic global power is uncertain. Our national debt, political division, and stretched military resources while rival powers are on the ascendancy warrants cautious introspection IMO.

Our fate is completely in our own hands but can go one of many different directions at this point.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:32 pm to
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You are correct. America is young but our future as a stable, hegemonic global power is uncertain. Our national debt, political division, and stretched military resources while rival powers are on the ascendancy warrants cautious introspection IMO.


This can be said for virtually all countries. As I said - 2016 the United States controls the worlds oceans, skies and space. And we have the economy to back it up. Yes our fate is in our hands but our hands, while slippery from time to time are the hands of the world for the foreseeable future. We feed them the carrot and we feed them the stick. And we are such a behemoth that we can stumble and not cause much harm.

Syria, ISIS, the Middle East is for the most part just static. Russia's-demographics including aging population and money makes the next 10 years or so for them the only time for movement before they become irrevelant. China will end up with infighting from the mountain peasants to the coastal western leaning business population.



Not China, Russia nor any other country can change that at this time. Saber rattling is just that.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:37 pm to
In between the wall coming down and 9/11. Tech boom and a great economy. Biggest problem was Bill chasing interns.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:44 pm to
2016
Posted by mailman
Houston
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:47 pm to
the 70s after we landed on the moon
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:47 pm to
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This can be said for virtually all countries. As I said - 2016 the United States controls the worlds oceans, skies and space. And we have the economy to back it up. Yes our fate is in our hands but our hands, while slippery from time to time are the hands of the world for the foreseeable future. We feed them the carrot and we feed them the stick. And we are such a behemoth that we can stumble and not cause much harm.


I don't deny America's power by any means. But this could likewise be said about the British Empire prior to 1945. One would think that after 1945 they would have reaped the fruits of victory as well, but they didn't. They had a very rapid collapse.

Like I said before, I have zero concern for America's prosperity as it comes to foreign invaders. My concern stems entirely from civil strife and economic turmoil. Which our entanglement in overseas conflicts certainly serves to aggravate.

This is just my political worldview and I certainly recognize the legitimacy of those with differing views. I personally believe a steady retreat from our global geopolitical interventionism can better serve our long term NATIONAL interests. We were needed to be a global hegemon post-WWII. I don't think it serves our long term interests to try and maintain that role into perpetuity. The problem is, nations are reluctant to give up power voluntarily. It is counterintuitive in many ways. But given that we are a democratic republic, global ambitions fuel our demise IMO.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:48 pm to
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Don't listen to the news. America, as of today, is the most advanced nation in the history of this world.


Maybe so, but we are stagnating and falling fast. China and Russia are economically integrating, and the infrastructure projects in China especially are unbelievable. The future is in Eurasia not the US. Sad, but true. In our lifetimes the petrodollar will die and a Russia/China Yuan-Nat Gas economy will rule the world.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17230 posts
Posted on 10/7/16 at 10:50 pm to
To put it succinctly, I believe a multipolar world is best. No power can maintain hegemonic rule. It only results in chaos and disaster for that power yet we want to check China and Russia every step of the way as they try and climb into a higher level of geopolitical existence, which of course makes major wars more and more likely.
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