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re: When did society start looking down on blue collar jobs?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:39 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:39 pm to deeprig9
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Back then, getting into college was akin to winning the lottery,
When we were teens it wasn't for money, it was so you didn't have to break your back doing manual labor. Generations before mine worked their asses off.
Manual labor is 10x easier than it was 40 years ago.
We can't hire ship personnel (starts around 60k for stewards or deck personnel) and have been canceling some services.
One benefit of construction trades are the pension. Paid 4 year apprenticeships, starting pay around 60-70k. if you want to work.
A dude is better off not pigeonholing himself with one marketable skill though, youre far ahead of the game if you can do both skilled labor and white collar shite.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yeah, the majority of chopper pilots come out of the US Army. They allow non-commissioned officers (Warrant Officers) without degrees to fly helos.
I know quite a few chopper pilots that didn't.
I think the Navy and Marine Corps require all pilots to have a degree and be a commissioned officer.
As of now, I think only FedEx and UPS still require a degree to get hired as a pilot.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:55 pm to bhtigerfan
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As of now, I think only FedEx and UPS still require a degree to get hired.
Don't they pay a shitload of money to haul plastic dog shite out of China?
An old drinking buddy was a fed ex pilot 20 years ago and said he made 300k with incentives then. May have been the booze talking but I talked to an insurance adjuster buddy and he said that was in line.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
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When did society start looking down on blue collar jobs?
They didn’t look down on those jobs. The powers at be just persuaded kids to invest into the university system and get into debt.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:11 pm to oldcharlie8
It wasn’t that society started looking down on blue collar jobs, it’s that parents who held those jobs stressed the importance of an education, so their kids wouldn’t have to perform manual labor. I speak from first hand experience and if I lost my white collar job and all that was available was a blue collar job, I’d take it to feed my family. No shame in honest work.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I know a lot of highly educated people, lawyers, doctors, dentists. I know a good many wealthy businessmen and women. I have never known one to look down on a tradesman.
When did society start looking down on blue collar jobs?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:14 pm to LatinTiger30
quote:Pretty accurate. Now society is recognizing that a little labor is good for the soul. But if you are digging a pipe up in July or up in an attic working on someones AC, I am sure you dont want your kids to experience that hell day in and day out.
it’s that parents who held those jobs stressed the importance of an education, so their kids wouldn’t have to perform manual labor.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:52 pm to poncho villa
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But I'm assuming your parents could afford to send you there so why but your arse working an electrician's job when you can work in an office and make the same or more.
Not that many office jobs make more than electricians these days. Especially if you expand that out to being an instrumentation tech.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:52 pm to tigerfoot
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I know a lot of highly educated people, lawyers, doctors, dentists. I know a good many wealthy businessmen and women. I have never known one to look down on a tradesman
The faux snobbery is more of a social media phenomenon rather than something people do in real life.
I've started tipping in overdrive for employees who come to work today, working low wage jobs. I sure as hell appreciate those who have some ambition and values.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:56 pm to tigerfoot
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I know a lot of highly educated people, lawyers, doctors, dentists. I know a good many wealthy businessmen and women. I have never known one to look down on a tradesman.
It's not the successful white-collar types so much as the ones who make less money than those plumbers and welders. Teachers, in particular, are filled with resentment and delusion over their imagined contribution to society.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:59 pm to tigerfoot
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I know a lot of highly educated people, lawyers, doctors, dentists. I know a good many wealthy businessmen and women. I have never known one to look down on a tradesman.
Ask their wives and you might get the answer you're looking for.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 6:04 pm to shinerfan
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It's not the successful white-collar types so much as the ones who make less money than those plumbers and welders. Teachers, in particular, are filled with resentment and delusion over their imagined contribution to society.
This has been my experience as well. Kids who have junk degrees get jealous of those who don't have student loans and make more than they.
The education industry has tried for years to be considered "professional" along with graduate level professionals. Thats laughable. I got a teaching certificate, anyone with drive and not bothered by public speaking can get a degree, easily.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:18 am to tigerfoot
quote:you don't know many dentists and lawyers if you don't think any of them look down on blue collar workers
I know a lot of highly educated people, lawyers, doctors, dentists. I know a good many wealthy businessmen and women. I have never known one to look down on a tradesman.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:38 am to WestCoastAg
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he built a home literally by himself before he turned 21 while he worked full time AND got a degree
That thread will never get too old to laugh at.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:18 am to RollTide1987
Mike Rowe speaks passionately about this.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:26 am to RollTide1987
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When did society start looking down on blue collar jobs?
I would guess that this kind of rhetoric ramped up around the time FedGov got involved in the student loan game.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:32 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:No, I know plenty. Maybe you just know assholes.
you don't know many dentists and lawyers if you don't think any of them look down on blue collar workers
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:15 am to tigerfoot
Are yuppies back in fashion?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:17 am to RollTide1987
Maybe hand around different people- I’ve never looked down blue collar jobs
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:19 am to tigerfoot
quote:He thinks he is royalty, for real..
you don't know many dentists and lawyers if you don't think any of them look down on blue collar workers
No, I know plenty. Maybe you just know assholes
The better, more capable dude can thrive in both environments.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 11:21 am
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