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re: What's your favorite military plane ?

Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:30 am to
Posted by the4thgen
Dallas, tx
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:30 am to
P51 Mustang - No prettier airplane before or since. Stunning that it went from design to combat in under 1 years time, and that Rolls Royce pitched in to build engines for it. Massive leaps forward in design in the middle of the war, and it showed up and kicked arse at everything it was asked to do.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88873 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:32 am to
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Rolls Royce pitched in to build engines for it.


that engine pretty much sealed it as the most badass(maybe a tie with the P-38,) fighter of WWII
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20002 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:36 am to
WWII
P-51D


Jets (tie)
F-4 (B, E, J)


F-14


F-15C
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:37 am to
Posted by One72
Member since Jul 2022
1234 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:52 am to
There will always be a special place in my heart for WWII prop planes and the aircrew that pushed the envelope of the wild blue yonder during wartime.

My choice today is the F6F Hellcat. It was built to terrorize and holy hell did it do that, garnering some of the highest kill ratios in air to air combat history.

Their versatility was also unmatched.

Cheers boys!





Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:58 am to
Fav WW2 plane was the Tomcat.

Posted by EZVictor
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:58 am to
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The F/A 18 hornet was my favorite. The first all-weather fighter/attack jet. The tomcat got much pub because of Top Gun, but the hornet was an arse kicker

The Tomcat was a Fighter-Attack aircraft, we just never dropped bombs until the early ‘90s but we had the capability - we just opted to leave that to the A-6 and A-7’s. For the Gulf War, the Hornet didn’t have the Nighthawk pod, and they could only drop VFR,..not all weather. The Tomcat got the GPS stabilized LANTIRN Pod a little after the Hornet got their Nighthawk Pod, so the Hornet was all weather then, but the Nighthawk was not GPS stabilized like the Tomcat’s LANTIRN Pod. And we had a RIO and a much bigger scope in the backseat, and because we could carry more bombs, needed less gas and had a greater “bring aboard” capability, We were the premier bomber of the two.

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Was the airframe and accompanying hydraulic systems a big part of the reason that they phased out the Tomcat?

The Hornet ran a digital radar bus system and we ran the ancient analog. All the newer weapons like the AIM-120 AMRAAM were digital, so the Tomcat was unable to shoot them. Maintenance on the F-14, getting to and swapping parts was more difficult due to older technology locking down the access panels, ie, Kalfaxes, but the F-14 was an older jet, so I’d say the digital vs Analog was a much bigger problem. Because of that, the money began going into the Hornet because it was the “new” plane with updated technology. The Hornet eventually morphed into the carrier point defense fighter as Tomcats became more air-to-ground guru’s, even though it was actually the better fighter of the two due to it’s fuel capacity and maneuverability with tanks on. Hornets are only better if they are not carrying external fuel tanks, which is extremely limiting for any carrier based aircraft. Hornets are limited by the weight of what they can bring back aboard a carrier when they land, Meaning for example, if they are returning to the ship still carrying a 2000lb. bomb they haven’t needed to drop, they will be “bingo on the ball” (low on fuel) due their weight, necessitating having to waste that bomb by jettisoning it in the water before landing. Because of the Tomcat’s internal fuel capacity in the larger wings and tank, etc., they carry more fuel so don’t need to waste ordinance when landing on the ship. Also, because it is a smaller plane, in order to achieve the time necessary to perform their missions, the Hornet has to carry a larger number of tanks. This limits dogfighting capability. If both the Tomcat and Hornet carried only two external tanks, they could be a close match, but with the Hornet needing to carry 3, it slowed them down and ruined their turn rate capability. Fighting them became like whipping a disabled kid in a wheelchair. Despite that, the Tomcat was eventually phased out due to the practical reasons of age.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:01 pm to
One of the best Hellcat pilots:
Alexander Vraciu


Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
Mobile,AL
Member since Dec 2012
5222 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:14 pm to
F-14 tomcat. I was extremely lucky I got stationed in the Nimitz in the late 90’s and got to see these planes up close. Watching them launch and recovery off the deck in person was amazing.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20002 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:25 pm to
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Fav WW2 plane was the Tomcat


Very good movie
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:28 pm to
Mig-23
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:37 pm to
Since the F4 Phantom and the P51 Mustang have already been shared, I had to reach and came up with this.

The TR3B Astra.


Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9896 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:40 pm to
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fun little jet but compared to a fighter they're like comparing a 'vette to a Bugatti, Mclaren, or Hennessy, performance wise


Yeah at altitude but I talking about controlling in a Charlie or Delta Airspace. If I remember right their approach minimums are around 160-170. Most fighters I think are in the 130-150 range. They are also challenge to see sometimes especially on final because they are so narrow and their wings are not that wide. I know it was always fun when they came in and wanted to do turns in the pattern. One of the most impressive climbs I have seen was in a T38. A NASA pilot came in to do a demo and talk to a school and when she left she did a few turns in the pattern and then requested a release on final, I got her an unrestricted climb to 28K and she nailed it on final doing a low approach it looked like she was less than 50 feet over the runway and about the middle of the runway kicked it straight up. Man I always enjoyed having them come in. They were fun to control in my opinion. Sidenote 777s are fun to watch too along with any Heavy. They look like they are so slow taking off. I thought it was always cool watching them on takeoff roll.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20002 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:46 pm to
The F-15's Viking departure is a thing of beauty, too
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2938 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:12 pm to
P51...I asked a former Luftwaffen pilot when he knew the war was over...When I saw P51s over Berlin.. was his reply.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:12 pm to
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F104 Starfighter…
What a great way to end the day when the TV Station signed off at night... "Put out my hand, and touched the face of God." Member?

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"High Flight"

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds,—and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of—wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air ....

Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark nor ever eagle flew—
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.




Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20002 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:27 pm to
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When I saw P51s over Berlin.. was his reply.


Sounds like what Goring said...
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:28 pm to
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There just aren't very many of them and it's basically supernatural.


fricking F-35 (notice NO ONE has listed that cobbled together boondoggle in this thread)
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted by HenryParsons
Member since Aug 2018
1933 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:31 pm to
A10 Warthog goes brrrrrtt


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