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re: What’s the OT view of Charleston, SC?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:44 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:44 am to SDVTiger
This is from the Leopard.
The author is writing about the collapse of traditional society in Sicily and the rise of the new men. The rise of the hyenas and the jackals.
He’s writing about Sicily, but he could just as easily be describing the south.
Here the don is speaking with a reformer, explaining why Sicily has no desire to change.
He continues, remembering the visit of several British naval officers who watched Garibaldis forces landing from his veranda.
He concludes.
The author is writing about the collapse of traditional society in Sicily and the rise of the new men. The rise of the hyenas and the jackals.
He’s writing about Sicily, but he could just as easily be describing the south.
Here the don is speaking with a reformer, explaining why Sicily has no desire to change.
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The Sicilians never want to improve for the simple reason that they think themselves perfect; their vanity is stronger than their misery; every invasion by outsiders, whether so by origin or, if Sicilian, by independence of spirit, upsets their illusion of achieved perfect, risks disturbing their satisfied waiting for nothing; having been trampled on by a dozen different peoples, they consider they have an imperial past which gives them a right to a grand funeral. Do you really think, Chevalley, that you are the first who has hoped to canalize Sicily into the flow of universal history?
He continues, remembering the visit of several British naval officers who watched Garibaldis forces landing from his veranda.
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They were ecstatic about the view, the light; they confessed, though, that they had been horrified at the squalor and filth of the streets around I didn’t explain to them that one thing was derived from the other, as I have tried to with you. Then one of them asked me what those Italian volunteers were really coming to do in Sicily. ‘They are coming to teach us good manners,’ I replied in English. ‘But they won’t succeed, because we think we are gods.’
He concludes.
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Sicily wanted to sleep in spite of their invocations; for why should she listen to them if she herself is rich, if she’s wise, if she’s civilized, if she’s honest, if she’s admired and envied by all, in a word, she is perfect?
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:46 am to Centinel
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Charleston is (or at least was) the epitome of the "Old South", a distillation of southern culture if you will.
Now in come the yankees from the corridor I mention that have zero connection or inclination to have anything to do with the culture that made Charleston what it was.
Do you understand now?
Charleston has had yankees moving in regularly for the last 100 years. It's picked up in the last 50 years, but it is not a new thing. The military was a major source of out of towners for years until the base was closed.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:48 am to RedRifle
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Top 4 Southern city?
Why do you ask?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:01 am to SCLibertarian
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They think the world doesn't exist outside of the peninsula. They've sold their soul to hipsters and Yankee tourists.
I don't know how they have sold their soul to hipsters and Yankee tourists. Take the influx of tourist money from Charleston and it would be a crumbling, decayed backwater of a city on par with Mobile.
I think it is the general attitude of superiority that is so off putting for those of us who lived there for any amount of time. I was born and raised there. Because my great great grandaddy didn't fight for the South in the Civil War that makes me an outsider to some uppity Charlestonians who are no different in class from myself outside of the standing that they hold themselves in. Love the natural beauty of the Carolina coast, but the pretentiousness of some old time Charlestonians is something I am happy to do without.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:03 am to RedRifle
If you host a house party in Charleston, there is a decent chance Bill Murray might randomly show up.
I would live there just for that chance.
I would live there just for that chance.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:08 am to CivilTiger83
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that makes me an outsider to some uppity Charlestonians
The south lost more men, per capita, that Germany did in WW2. The war wrecked the south, and many southern families.
Mine has not recovered in any substantial way for example.
So it’s not necessarily surprising that they hold onto that. Charleston was also very special before the war, and after the war it became a forgotten backwater.
That issue of loss is a constant in Charleston. I have a friend who’s family sold their house south of broad during hard times in the middle of the 20th century.
It’s owned by a New York banker now. He’s there two weekends a year, maybe.
My friend wants to buy it back, but it’s unlikely that he will ever have the money to.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:22 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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If you host a house party in Charleston, there is a decent chance Bill Murray might randomly show up.
I would live there just for that chance.
My uncle is his chiropractor.
Seems like a great dude. But then again he is one of those terrible carpetbaggers everyone is complaining about right?
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:34 am to Lima Whiskey
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The south lost more men, per capita, that Germany did in WW2. The war wrecked the south, and many southern families.
Mine has not recovered in any substantial way for example.
Your family has not recovered from the Civil War?!?
What about the people that were literal property that have gone on to build great companies and legacies? People who lived through German concentration camps a mere 90 years ago that lost their entire family have gone on to great things.
No offense, but if you are still holding on to the Civil War for your family's current lack of flourishing you need to reevaluate your current family's role in all of this.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:44 am to Frankenstein Vol
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Savannah is the most overrated city in America.
How so?
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:45 am to CivilTiger83
My family is still recovering from the Crusades
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:46 am to CivilTiger83
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No offense, but if you are still holding on to the Civil War for your family's current lack of flourishing you need to reevaluate your current family's role in all of this.
None taken.
To degree, you simply can never go back. There’s no way, even if you wanted to, to replicate that concentration of power and wealth.
We’ll never be what we were. And that’s true for all the old southern families. That’s why they’ve retreated into splendid isolation.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:49 am to RedRifle
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What’s the OT view of Charleston, SC?
I love it for obvious reasons. My family is here (or in the extended area). It's beautiful, old, historic. I love the access to the Atlantic, the rivers and marshes, and low country. We have a phenomenal local food and drink culture, beautiful women, great outdoors for hunting, fishing, and golf.
To the negatives, it's small, and the city's politics reflect that. We're insular, and if you're an outsider that isn't from a "reputable" city, it may be tough to break into. In some ways, we can't get out of our own way because of this, and it will always keep the city from prosperity. That said, I think the city likes its current image as a tourism destination/ good ole boys club. Also, given the size, I can see how some would grow bored with it. It all depends on the person.
Also, we have a lot of bad crime - confined to the N. Charleston area. Housing is expensive, and the housing is old (good or bad, depending on the person). With old homes, you take their charm and character, and inherit their quirks and problems. The public school system leaves a lot to be desired.
The weather is fairly pleasant - I wish Fall would dip into cooler temps - currently low 80s. Lots of mosquitoes. It floods a lot.
The influx of snowbirds from Ohio and Pennsylvania is alarming. You can spot them out a mile away. Honestly, I truly think they ruin a lot of the great things about the city. You can spot them at restaurants, golf courses, shops, etc. They are loud, rude, and generally unpleasant to be around.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:52 am to Lima Whiskey
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The south lost more men, per capita, that Germany did in WW2. The war wrecked the south, and many southern families.
Mine has not recovered in any substantial way for example.
So it’s not necessarily surprising that they hold onto that. Charleston was also very special before the war, and after the war it became a forgotten backwater.
That issue of loss is a constant in Charleston. I have a friend who’s family sold their house south of broad during hard times in the middle of the 20th century.
It’s owned by a New York banker now. He’s there two weekends a year, maybe.
My friend wants to buy it back, but it’s unlikely that he will ever have the money to.
If some old Southern family is still upset about the Civil War, they need to have their head examined.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:55 am to HinesvilleThrill
Savannah is a dirty sheet hole on a river compared to Charleston IMHO
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:58 am to Lima Whiskey
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To degree, you simply can never go back. There’s no way, even if you wanted to, to replicate that concentration of power and wealth.
We’ll never be what we were. And that’s true for all the old southern families. That’s why they’ve retreated into splendid isolation.
Um wealth disparities are pretty high right now. Not sure what point youre trying to make. I know you can't exactly compare a plantation owner to people who were literal property but the 1% families today make a whole hell of a lot more than the average or poor nowadays. There are some,pretty successful people out there, whether it's warranted or not.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:02 pm to GetCocky11
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If some old Southern family is still upset about the Civil War, they need to have their head examined.
Lima Whisky's sentiments are not uncommon among many old southern families.
I don't think many Texans understand this mindset, and its why some in the South don't consider Texas to be truly southern.
Lima Whisky was at least honest and gracious in his response.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:05 pm to LetsgoGamecocks
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Savannah is a dirty sheet hole on a river compared to Charleston IMHO
I like Savannah. Charleston is "nicer" and the crime isn't as in your face like Savannah. Charleston is on one side, New Orleans on the opposite, and Savannah is right there in the middle between the two if that makes sense.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:06 pm to CivilTiger83
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Lima Whisky's sentiments are not uncommon among many old southern families.
Oh, I get it. I see it, too. I just think it is crazy.
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I don't think many Texans understand this mindset, and its why some in the South don't consider Texas to be truly southern.
Oh, I understand the mindset. I just think it is irrational.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:10 pm to GetCocky11
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I just think it is crazy.
It's the "lost cause" mindset that has helped set the South back for decades. And I don't mean that as an insult to Lima Whisky. I have a branch of my family that feel the same way, and I know several more with that mindset.
It's borne out of a propaganda campaign started by the Daughters Of the Confederacy in the 1910's and 1920's.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:11 pm to SDVTiger
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We would never say the southern drool has eroded away our souls in the NE
That’s because the majority of Southerners know better than to move above the Mason Dixon line. Carpetbagging has been a thing for 150+ years
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