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re: What was the point of the Cold War?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:03 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:03 am to DavidTheGnome
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I can understand why Stalin wanted a buffer zone under his control, but due to another military invasion not an ideological one. What did the USSR stand to gain by promoting communist governments around the globe?
Worldwide Communist revolution was one of the cornerstones of communism. This was their number one goal even before the communists took over Russia.
I'm amazed at the number of people who don't know this.
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:25 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:To put money into the pockets of the military industrial complex
What was the point of the Cold War?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:29 am to El Magnifico
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To put money into the pockets of the military industrial complex
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:34 am to CadesCove
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Damn, if we'd only left them alone, everything would have be peachy... History teaches us so much if we're willing to learn it.
I'm not implying that. Trying to figure out what each side stood to gain by promoting their own economic systems.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:36 am to El Magnifico
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To put money into the pockets of the military industrial complex
Ignorant, conspiratorial comment.
Anyone who has served knows that the communist threat was very real.
Think of devote communists in the same way you see islamic fundamentalists today. Ideologues who believe in commmunism wanted to spread its magic to the four corners of the world because they truly believed it was the greatest system of governance. The USSR stood to increase its economic interests as well as gain stature in geopolitics as more countries signed up.
Since the House of Romanov, Russia wanted to emerge as a world leader.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:42 am to DavidTheGnome
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I'm not implying that. Trying to figure out what each side stood to gain by promoting their own economic systems.
The USSR desired its allies to be more like "client kingdoms" that would suck at the teet of the Russian bear.
Look at what happened to places like Eastern Europe, North Korea and Cuba after the immediate fall of communism as an example of what I am talking about.
The US saw democracy and capitalism as the greatest force for global stability. We believed a free people would not wish to conquer others but instead build relationships that were mutually profitable both economically and politically. They would promote such a system even in places that really had no stomach for it. See Vietnam
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:49 am to DavidTheGnome
Two superpowers flexing their nuts to the world for a couple of decades.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:27 am to DavidTheGnome
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Oceans of ink have been spilled in an attempt to clarify the origins of the Cold War. Scholarly reputations have been made and destroyed in this intellectual war. Some scholars have sought the origins of the Cold War in the closing months of the Second World War as suspicion mounted between the Western Allies and Stalin’s Russia. Others have looked to the months following the end of the war when the Soviet system slowly but inexorably closed over Eastern Europe. But for many Americans the event which dramatized the seriousness of the situation was a single dramatic speech—Winston Churchill’s famous “Iron Curtain” address at Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, on March 5, 1946. Rarely has one speech created a whole new political condition. While Churchill did not create the Cold War, he gave the amorphous condition plaguing relations between the free and Communist worlds a new dramatic image in his phrase about an Iron Curtain descending upon Europe.
Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain Speech
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:27 am to DavidTheGnome
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I can understand why Stalin wanted a buffer zone under his control, but due to another military invasion not an ideological one. What did the USSR stand to gain by promoting communist governments around the globe?
You understand why Stalin wanted a buffer zone? Was Stalin simply after a "buffer zone" when he colluded to invade Poland in 1939? What about when he invaded Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia? Or Finland? All of these things occurred prior to any foreign country invading the USSR. And the Soviet territorial claims did not end there and had it not been for the invasion, Romania was very likely next on the Soviet agenda.
The USSR was an expansionist and monstrous state. To believe they were anything less than that prior to the end of WWII is to be completely ignorant of history.
Had it not been for nuclear weapons it is highly likely that a massive war would have taken place in Europe following WWII.
What did the USSR stand to gain? What did they stand to gain when they invaded all these nations in 1939/40 and then essentially invaded and occupied them again in 1945 and beyond? Geopolitical leverage. Power, resources, personnel, wealth, influence, and manifestation of the Communist ideal of international expansion.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:33 am to Tigeralum2008
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To put money into the pockets of the military industrial complex
Ignorant, conspiratorial comment.
Anyone who has served knows that the communist threat was very real.
So major generals don't serve?
Were you always this ignorant or did you have to work at it?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:34 am to Tigeralum2008
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The US saw democracy and capitalism as the greatest force for global stability.
You misspelled "Fascism."
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:39 am to TX Tiger
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You misspelled "Fascism
I guess you're unaware of how very similar Fascism and Communism are. They're really nothing more than two sides of the same Statist coin. One is the extreme right of statist socialism while the other is the extreme left.
And both are fundamentally incompatible with the American way of life.,
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:44 am to Darth_Vader
Let's Compare the Cold War with Russia and USA like the SJW's vs conservative/ right wing republicans.
Russia demands everyone be like them like the SJW's do now, the right wing doesn't care as much but if they don't push back than all the nancies in the middle turn into SJW's and the far right loses more of their freedoms.
So both sides basically had to push everyone to be like them so that they weren't pushed out themselves into being the small minority.
Russia demands everyone be like them like the SJW's do now, the right wing doesn't care as much but if they don't push back than all the nancies in the middle turn into SJW's and the far right loses more of their freedoms.
So both sides basically had to push everyone to be like them so that they weren't pushed out themselves into being the small minority.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:46 am to DavidTheGnome
Bc America
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:53 am to baldona
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the right wing doesn't care as much but if they don't push back than all the nancies in the middle Bullied into becoming SJW's and the far right loses more of their freedoms.
Fixed it for you...
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:56 am to DavidTheGnome
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What did either side stand to gain by spreading their governmental style?
if you were going to have to fight WW3, do you want more or less people on your side?
do you want more or less crucial goods or consumables?
the US and USSR legitimately believed they would be going to war in the future...this lasted a legit 30 years
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
The cold war really shaped the lives of people in the 60's and 70's. Most of us didn't believe we would live very long. MAD was inevitable at that time.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:18 am to Darth_Vader
quote:What does that have to do with the comment I made?
The US saw democracy and capitalism as the greatest force for global stability.
You misspelled "Fascism."
I guess you're unaware of how very similar Fascism and Communism are.
quote:No, they're not even close to being two sides of the same coin.
They're really nothing more than two sides of the same Statist coin.
I'm hearing more and more people parrot this ridiculous meme. Who's driving this garbage truck anyway? Lemme guess, FOX News (i.e. mainstream media).
quote:No shite. Why do you think I've been railing against it on this board for 12 years?
And both are fundamentally incompatible with the American way of life.,
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:21 am to Darth_Vader
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Worldwide Communist revolution was one of the cornerstones of communism. This was their number one goal even before the communists took over Russia.
I'm amazed at the number of people who don't know this.
This.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:42 am to No Colors
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There's a great story in a Reagan biography. One of his advisors -- an economist -- is talking about the size of the Soviet economy. All in terms of GDP per capita, and nominal growth rates and all that. And it means nothing to Reagan. So he asks the guy to rephrase it. And the guy says: Well, Mr. President, the entire Soviet economy is about the same size as the economy of New Jersey. And Reagan is like: We're sitting here talking about New Jersey? I want you to come back here next week with a plan for how we're going to break them. So that's what the Cold War was about. Breaking them. Reagan did it in 8 years, with $2 Trillion In the past 16 years, Bush and Obama spent $13 Trillion, and they haven't been able to break Isis.
Great post.
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