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re: What percent of students is fair and reasonable to fail a core high school course?
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:15 am to LSUguy2023
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:15 am to LSUguy2023
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would say 20% is a fair and reasonable percent of a high school teacher students to fail the course.
Yea, I don't buy that 1-in-5 kids should be failing any high school class.
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:16 am to FriscoTiger1973
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Standard distribution, same percentage of A’s and F’s. I hated courses that used it.
Same. Grades should reflect your objective performance on the graded curriculum, not your relative position in the class.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:35 am to Chad504boy
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20% and the teacher should be fired.
The fault lies with the parent(s).
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:39 am to 427Nova
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What a joke. So we just pass pilots, surgeons, lawyers, welders, electricians, etc rather they show up or not. Rather they do the work or not? Rather they can pass courses material? Incompetence at its finest.
I think you need to go back to school.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:02 am to cbree88
I don’t need no school’in. Me’s a message boards English nazi.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:05 am to Indefatigable
Go to your local school and sit in on average class. You would be surprised. Sleep, no work, no pencil, no paper and absent way too much. How can you pass that? People who don’t teach or know someone who teaches, has no idea what HS are these days. Cesspool.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:30 am to LSUguy2023
I teach 3 sections of a Remedial Math course in our school. 1 section has a 90% pass rate, one has an 80% pass rate, the other has a 40% pass rate. The 40% class is just the right collection of assholes that doesnt care. Ive tried everything and they just wont do anything. A few of them will likely scrape by by the skin of their teeth before the end of the year but ill fail as many of them show me they want to fail. is what it is.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:44 am to LSUguy2023
Statistically standard deviation would say around 3%, but I think that's somewhat low. You really have to be a moron to fail a high school class these days.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:46 am to LSUguy2023
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I would say 20% is a fair and reasonable percent of a high school teacher students to fail the course. I’m really specifically talking about core courses.
Especially considering out of that 20%, I would say half of them are failing all, or at least most, of their classes.
This is going to vary greatly based upon the quality of the student population at the school. Schools should teach the same materials and have the same standards regardless of student population.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:46 am to Pedro
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. Ive tried everything and they just wont do anything. A few of them will likely scrape by by the skin of their teeth before the end of the year but ill fail as many of them show me they want to fail. is what it is.
Have you called home once a week to the kids that are failing? Have you made sure you are following their IEP to the letter? If not, parents/administration are going to have your arse.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:53 am to Steadyhands
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20% is ridiculous. That's a failing school and something needs to change. Reasonable should be less than 5%.
How do you hold parents and students accountable? You can be the best teacher in the world, but you're only going to get results in the classroom if the students want to succeed.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:53 am to FlyTheW08
quote:nah ive done this class long enough they wont do anything to me. Ive wasted enough time with phone calls that do nothing I dont bother anymore. If a parent cares enough theyll reach out to me.
Have you called home once a week to the kids that are failing? Have you made sure you are following their IEP to the letter? If not, parents/administration are going to have your arse.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:08 am to Chad504boy
A teacher has 90 total kids.
18 fail her class. 9 of those 18 are failing multiple classes, if not all of their classes.
So 9/90, or 10%, is failing just her class. And again, I’m really talking about core classes like chemistry, algebra 2, US History, biology, etc.
That doesn’t seem to me that the teacher should be fired. Some kids need to take the course again to learn the material better and there is nothing wrong with that. They can take it over the summer and still graduate in 4 years and the school still gets their points or whatever for their SPS Grad Rate or some bullshite.
18 fail her class. 9 of those 18 are failing multiple classes, if not all of their classes.
So 9/90, or 10%, is failing just her class. And again, I’m really talking about core classes like chemistry, algebra 2, US History, biology, etc.
That doesn’t seem to me that the teacher should be fired. Some kids need to take the course again to learn the material better and there is nothing wrong with that. They can take it over the summer and still graduate in 4 years and the school still gets their points or whatever for their SPS Grad Rate or some bullshite.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:10 am to Rebel
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You fail all of them that can’t meet the standard of passing.
It is 10%, so be it.
If it’s 90%, so be it.
Beautiful in theory. Disappeared in reality decades ago.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:26 am to LSUguy2023
I can promise you in Huntsville City Schools, Bossier Parish, and Caddo Parish, if you have anything approaching a double digit non graduate rate, the principal will be fired.
These arbitrary rules really fricked the ghetto schools that I taught in because they had such a transitional population.
These arbitrary rules really fricked the ghetto schools that I taught in because they had such a transitional population.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:31 am to LSUguy2023
Are we talking like a lower level math class in HS? Anything beyond 3-5% would be unacceptable
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:20 pm to LSUguy2023
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I would say 20% is a fair and reasonable percent of a high school teacher students to fail the course
I would say your expectations are extremely low.
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I’m really specifically talking about core courses.
Especially considering out of that 20%, I would say half of them are failing all, or at least most, of their classes.
Well, when I was in HS if you failed any of the state curriculum required, or "core" classes, you had to repeat the grade. Or go to summer school and pass the failed class. So what's the difference?
Also, seriously, what makes you feel that 20 percent is an "acceptable" rate of failure? I feel like that kind of attitude toward education has had tremendous impact on wider society, in this country specifically, over the past 40 or 50 years.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 1:21 pm
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