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re: What is worse: Murder or Suicide
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:11 pm to beauchristopher
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:11 pm to beauchristopher
Is dying from heart attack or cancer dying on your own terms? How about a car accident? There are hundreds of ways to die.
If you're asking me to compare suicide to
murder - I think suicide is worse from a loved one's perspective. Suicide means that person was so unhappy and in such a fricked up place that they had to end their own life...
If you're asking me to compare suicide to
murder - I think suicide is worse from a loved one's perspective. Suicide means that person was so unhappy and in such a fricked up place that they had to end their own life...
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:11 pm to TheDeathValley
Murder
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:13 pm to TheDeathValley
I'm going to start a thread.
"What's worse:punching kittens or kicking puppies?"
"What's worse:punching kittens or kicking puppies?"
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:13 pm to urinetrouble
I feel like murder would also cause more anxiety.
Again I don't want to downplay suicide. It's utterly tragic and sad.
Murder would also be scarier. I hate anything against someone's will. That's just so scary.
Again I don't want to downplay suicide. It's utterly tragic and sad.
Murder would also be scarier. I hate anything against someone's will. That's just so scary.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:14 pm to TheDeathValley
OP: Sorry for your loss.
You pose a tough question that won't get definitively answered here.
I've experienced one of the options to a family member and I don't recommend it to anyone.
They are kinda-sorta both murder?
An accidental or illness-related death are the alternatives and they suck too.
Happy Easter, I'm finished thinking about this subject for tonight.
You pose a tough question that won't get definitively answered here.
I've experienced one of the options to a family member and I don't recommend it to anyone.
They are kinda-sorta both murder?
An accidental or illness-related death are the alternatives and they suck too.
Happy Easter, I'm finished thinking about this subject for tonight.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:21 pm to TheDeathValley
Both would be awful. I would imagine suicide would haunt me longer? Too many unanswered questions and what ifs. Sorry for your loss. Hope you find peace.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:25 pm to LesMiles BFF
quote:
I'm going to start a thread.
This wasn't out of the dark, this was a serious question, sparked from the incident that happened today.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:25 pm to TheDeathValley
I'm so sorry that you lost your dad.
I really don't think there is a way to compare the pain.
Murder would bring out anger and suicide would bring out overwhelming helplessness and sadness.
Different kinds of feelings but both bring extreme pain.
I wouldn't really be able to comprehend either.
Murder would probably be easiest to handle because then I could focus my anger on an outside force/intruder.
Now a murder committed by a family member..that would be a whole new level of pain.
I really don't think there is a way to compare the pain.
Murder would bring out anger and suicide would bring out overwhelming helplessness and sadness.
Different kinds of feelings but both bring extreme pain.
I wouldn't really be able to comprehend either.
Murder would probably be easiest to handle because then I could focus my anger on an outside force/intruder.
Now a murder committed by a family member..that would be a whole new level of pain.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:27 pm to ManBearTiger
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Murder is way worse. This isn't even debateable.
Probably since it ruins more than one family, normally but suicide can cause way more damage to a family. Particularly kids who grow up blaming themselves.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:32 pm to KittenKuddler
quote:Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!
KittenKuddler
Well, because Russ Meyer.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:14 pm to TheDeathValley
Suicide.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:28 pm to TheDeathValley
quote:
My dad killed himself 15 years ago, and I still do not know the answer. I like to think I am over it now, but I went through bouts of sadness/anger/understanding/hatred over an over trying to get through it.
The truth is that the human brain can malfunction due to physiological flaws. In other words, the organ physically doesn't function properly, like somebody born with a defective heart who dies from heart failure through no fault of their own.
Chemical imbalances and other physical abnormalities of the brain can cause people to do irrational things like commit suicide. The victim can't help it any more than somebody who dies from a defective heart, which they had at birth.
I'll bet there's a good chance that your Dad was a victim of something like this.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:29 pm to xxKylexx
Murder is worse I've thought about suicide and I know people that have thought about it and followed through. None of these guys nor myself would physically harm someone to make ourselves feel better
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:30 pm to TheDeathValley
Murder is worse. The person committing suicide is choosing to end their life, the murder victim is not. My brother committed suicide and though it is tough, knowing he took another life would be far more difficult.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:35 pm to TheDeathValley
I think that if someone commits suicide as a result of mental illness, today we understand it a little more than we use to. I use to think it was a selfish act no matter what, but then I realized you really never know what people are dealing with. A person's brain can be flawed, but since we can't see it, it can be harder for some to understand. If a loved one is murdered by someone who did it out of pure evil that would be difficult to come to terms with, I would imagine. How can someone just do that to another person? Either way, I cant say I understand what its like to experience either one.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:37 pm to KittenKuddler
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I think suicide is worse from a loved one's perspective. Suicide means that person was so unhappy and in such a fricked up place that they had to end their own life...
Very true. Person in my family used to threaten suicide all the time when she got mad.
I have very little tolerance for people who repeatedly threaten suicide due to this, it makes it hard to determine who really needs help and who is just craving attention.
I would always feel guilty if I misjudged but the mental trauma of repeated threats is exhausting if the person refuses to get help.
If it is a genuine feeling, then I do hope I would have a chance to intervene.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:11 am to TheDeathValley
quote:
What is worse,
That depends on the individual. We all respond to these things differently.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 2:37 am to brlsu1988
quote:
Suicide is the most selfish act someone can do.
It's the hardest thing to do... to destroy ones consciousness. You being critical of this shows that 1. You are incapable of it 2. You look down other people as a defense on your fear.
While I don't advocate suicide, I don't judge people who do it. Because I've never been in that person's shoes day in and day out month after month. Sometimes a person won't want to be themselves anymore. Maybe they are suffering with chronic pain. Maybe they're carrying too much guilt.
If you think suicide = cowardice, then by your logic... the opposite that living = brave. But living is a default. Nothing brave about that since we are all programmed to survive.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 2:39 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:31 am to brlsu1988
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Suicide is the most selfish act someone can do.
People who commmit suicide are not thinking clearly. The pain and suffering they are going through overshadows any rational thought.
I have had a friend murdered and my first cousin committed suicide. Both were about the same age. A family friend was also murdered.
I also know two others that were "neighborhood kids" when I was growing up. One committed suicide @ age 21 and the other at age 40.
On the outside looking in, the pain that the families go through in both circumstances is immeasurable and incomprehensible.
Personally I think that murder is worse because that deceased person didn't have a choice in the matter.
Although it might be convoluted reasoning, the person choosing to take their own life made the choice to end it. The murdered person had no say.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 7:20 am to Red Stick Tigress
quote:
“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.” ? David Foster Wallace
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