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re: What good reason is there to believe in God?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:43 pm to Shamoan
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:43 pm to Shamoan
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I think that everyone knows there is a creator. It’s easier to deny than believe for multiple reasons, but deep down we all know our universe is intelligently designed.
I think it's very possible there's some entity behind all this. But I don't see any evidence this entity is benevolent toward us. Quite the opposite.
This entity either cannot prevent our suffering in which case it is not omnipotent, or:
Is capable of preventing our suffering and chooses not to, which makes it at best neglectful or at worst malevolent.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:46 pm to Jim Rockford
I’m sorry for your loss.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:47 pm to UFFan
So religious threads are kosher now?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:50 pm to DMagic
quote:depends on how they're killed
So religious threads are kosher now?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:50 pm to UFFan
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What good reason is there to believe in God?
9 pages long so maybe this has been asked, but:
What good reason is there not to?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:09 pm to JiminyCricket
quote:Seems like a "bat signal" for anyone interested in the topic, yourself included. Not sure where the derision for dissenting opinions comes from. They are interested in the subject for the same reason you are, and, the fact they currently don't share the same conclusion as you do, seems like a shallow reason to discount them as attention whores or whatever you're alluding to, when not only did you respond, but you responded before any of them did, and even preemptively called them out for participating in a discussion that you entered before any of them.
I responded before I thought about how much of a bat signal for the board atheists this thread is going to be. I suppose we will be joined by them shortly.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:11 pm to UFFan
Where do you think the concept of ‘right and wrong’ comes from?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:14 pm to Auburn80
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There are good studies on this that show the Bible doesn’t say how old the Earth is. The first two chapters of Genesis have not been translated well from their origins.
And many scholars say the ages in the genesis genealogies are symbolic numbers and not literal ages.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:17 pm to Jim Rockford
This is the real Pascal’s wager.
P1-If materialism is true meaning is subjective
P2- for most, believing in an all good, all loving god is objectively better than not.
C1 might as well try to believe in god because it doesn’t matter anyway.
It’s just hard for me to trick myself. We want it authentic. If materialism is true we are kind of persuading ourselves of whatever we find meaningful. Utilitarian does feel intrinsic though.
For any non believers, have you gone down the rabbit hole that is consciousness? Most experts say it’s non material, and I can’t understand that.
P1-If materialism is true meaning is subjective
P2- for most, believing in an all good, all loving god is objectively better than not.
C1 might as well try to believe in god because it doesn’t matter anyway.
It’s just hard for me to trick myself. We want it authentic. If materialism is true we are kind of persuading ourselves of whatever we find meaningful. Utilitarian does feel intrinsic though.
For any non believers, have you gone down the rabbit hole that is consciousness? Most experts say it’s non material, and I can’t understand that.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:19 pm to ManWithNoNsme
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My mom was religious her whole life. Got dementia in 2009. She paid those blood suckers $150 every Sunday. When she couldn’t drive anymore they offered to come take her to church. One Sunday she had forgotten her check and left it on the dining room table. They never came again. Her “church” of decades abandoned her. I took care of her the next 9 years. So. No. I don’t believe in God. It’s been a con for 2,000 years. Let me sell you something for a couple hundred thousand dollars but you don’t get it until after you die.
Well that’s absolutely terrible but is it safe to assume you weren’t a Christian prior to this happening?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:31 pm to ManWithNoNsme
Ohhh, I still a tithe request every month because her mail is sent to me. Dead 9 years.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:31 pm to UFFan
Now tell me there is no God
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:33 pm to ManWithNoNsme
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My mom was religious her whole life. Got dementia in 2009. She paid those blood suckers $150 every Sunday. When she couldn’t drive anymore they offered to come take her to church. One Sunday she had forgotten her check and left it on the dining room table. They never came again. Her “church” of decades abandoned her. I took care of her the next 9 years. So. No. I don’t believe in God. It’s been a con for 2,000 years. Let me sell you something for a couple hundred thousand dollars but you don’t get it until after you die.
This has nothing to do with God and everything to do with you.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:33 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:The only difference in "micro" and "macro" evolution is the time scale. With a hundred thousand years of small changes to fur and fat content, along with other small changes to behavior and build, you'll have the difference between a brown bear and a black bear. Give it a few million years, and you've got the difference between a brown bear and a badger or a badger and a wolf.
I think you are conflating micro and macro evolution. One stating humans came from a single cell as did every other form of a life originating from nothing. The other that bears in a cold environment would by survival and need develop denser fur and higher fat content over generations and only the strong surviving and therefore those traits being the ones to survive.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:36 pm to UFFan
Give me one good reason not to believe in God?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:39 pm to UFFan
quote:Much of humanity has no knowledge of Pascal's wager, yet have variously been immersed in it's fallacy that those who disbelieve are subject to infinite suffering should they be wrong.
Most people just seem to believe in God because of Pascal's wager
Our universe is many things, magnificent and brutal in seemingly equal measure. But judgemental it is not.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:40 pm to UFFan
The idea that humans believe in a "heaven" where they'll be reunited for eternity with their loved ones, is an illusion. What makes humans more special than any other species? It's vanity, and just a way to make the idea of death sound nicer... oh don't worry, this isn't the end, there's more. Bogus. When you die, that's it. There's nothing else.
We're all made of stardust.
We're all made of stardust.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:42 pm to Bonkers119
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These two ideas are contradictory though.
Evolution is nonsensical and unsupported by any evidence, but it is not contradictory to Biblical creation in any way.
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The Bible will have you believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Evolution takes millions of years, therefore both cannot exist.
This is a fallacious way of viewing things that doesn't stop to actually consider the possibility of the other side being correct.
If you allow yourself to consider God existing, and being the creator of the earth, then it is easy to see how His creation would seem impossible in such a short time span given our measurement capabilities. The methods He used for creation might seem vast and time-consuming to you, while actually having been simple and quick for Him. The only contradiction is your belief that you actually know what He must have had to do to create anything.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:45 pm to CatsGoneWild
And child cancer.
I'm not anti God or pro God.
It's just kinda he can't lose.
If the kid survives then God saved them that a win if the kid dies then God need them more then we do? Another win for God.
Or it's random some people will die young and innocent or old and full of sin. There is no rhyme or reason.
I'm not anti God or pro God.
It's just kinda he can't lose.
If the kid survives then God saved them that a win if the kid dies then God need them more then we do? Another win for God.
Or it's random some people will die young and innocent or old and full of sin. There is no rhyme or reason.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:49 pm to imjustafatkid
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Evolution is nonsensical and unsupported by any evidence
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