re: What do modern women bring to a relationships with men?

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This somewhat goes back to my point about men not wanting to be traditional themselves. You're going to have a much more likely time finding that traditional spouse in a rural setting due to culture. Those settings are more socially conservative, religious, etc. But there is a tradeoff. Those settings aren't conducive to modern jobs, your SOL will be less, and you'll have to be a "man's man" to make up for it. You also are less likely to find matching levels of intelligence/education, which causes its own friction in relationship dynamics.

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An overarching caveat - We're probably (you and I, many in this thread) biased because we're professionals, we live in fairly affluent areas, we have disposable income, etc. We may hunt and work on cars but we probably do them as hobbyists, not out of need/benefit/"as work." So it's a microcosm of the rest of the country, admittedly, and may be hard to extend broadly at times.

And that may extend back a ways - some of the traditionalist ideal I've formed comes from my grandparents, my wife's grandparents, etc. - who were also affluent, professional, semi-urban, etc.

But by way of example on your above point - I have some cousins and nephews in their early-mid 20s and they're traditionally minded, conservative, have degrees from tier 1 schools. They're good looking, former athletes, Christian, etc. They're just good catches all around. They work on cars, like to build things, etc. (admittedly for sport, not need).

But what I've found interesting and what I think they find frustrating is that their appropriate match now isn't the prettiest girl at church, it's some wannabe tik Tok influencer. Obviously the incel guys (or any guy) can't feel too sorry for that plight, but I do think we're in an era where "high value" men and women can nonetheless be very mismatched, and I'm sure that only gets worse the further down in the hierarchy you go.

That's obviously anecdotal, but I think "men's men" exist everywhere, especially in the southeast. You can find traditionally minded guys in every suburb in America. But I think the pool of traditionally-minded women is smaller and smaller, regardless of area.

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what do they bring to the table?

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In our case, we have a shared sense of humor, similar intellect and education. We share similar moral and religious views.
We share similar attitudes about loyalty and friendship.
We are a pair rather than two free agents. We have each carried the other at times.
This has worked well for us through many hard situations and we are best friends.
This relationship was blessed by God and we both treat it that way.
If you do not have this, you should carefully examine the guy asking the question about how he views the male and female relationship. Without being at a correct starting point, you cannot get anywhere worth going.

The issue is people usually date and then marry for looks. It's the wrong way to go about it. It should revolve around just about everything else.

It iant as bad as it seems but American white women are a challenge. I am a big proponent of foreign women

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If that’s your thing and she brings it, then what does the guy bring?

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Muscles of steel and sex appeal.

and a weiner. They have the weiner.

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Muscles of steel and sex appeal. and a weiner. They have the weiner.

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you didn’t read the rest of my comment

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Porn has ruined an entire generation of men.

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Almost as badly as social media ruined an entire generation of women.

If you got to go half way around the world to get laid, just know you’re a fricking dork.

Yall act like this shite is impossible, it’s easy as frick if you do the simple things right. Get a good job, don’t be a fat frick, and don’t be a slob and a loser.

So many pathetic men out there that want to blame everything on women. Look at yourself in the fricking mirror sometime

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If you got to go half way around the world to get laid, just know you’re a fricking dork.

Yall act like this shite is impossible, it’s easy as frick if you do the simple things right. Get a good job, don’t be a fat frick, and don’t be a slob and a loser.

So many pathetic men out there that want to blame everything on women. Look at yourself in the fricking mirror sometime

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I know you arent talking to me. I have a dime that makes 6 figures.

These other dudes are the pushovers.

Mine brought a couple ranches.