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Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:08 pm to BoardReader
Unless you live in Hawaii or Puerto Rico, the Jones Act doesn’t meaningfully drive up the prices of anything you purchase
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:11 pm to BoardReader
Agree with Slackster. Morgan City had the opportunity in the 50s to have Nicholls and Southland Mall but a number of local familys- mostly Guarisco's, would not sell the land required. Nor would they sell land to be developed for residential neighborhoods to keep the population in St Mary Parish. Between Fourchon being developed as a deep water port and the Corp of Engineers not being able to keep the Atchafalaya river channel at the mandated 20' depth, that part of Louisiana has never grown as it was capable of.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:13 pm to Eightballjacket
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Where is the New Orleans metro area ranked when it comes to metro area populations? 45th?
Something like that.
Just eyeballing that map, it looks like New Orleans, San Fransisco, St. Petersburg, and New York are the only large metro areas that deal with being water-locked on three sides.
Now, can that be overcome? Sure. But sprawl is cheap and easy; building vertical isn’t.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:16 pm to Captain Crackysack
Tedious.
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In 2019, the U.S. territory had to import fuel from Siberia. In 2018, Massachusetts was similarly forced to import natural gas from Russia rather than simply getting it from Georgia or Louisiana. Such shipments not only take longer but are significantly more expensive.
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Balzano later emailed Francis McDonald, president of the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, which receives some of its funding via MARAD grants. Balzano assured McDonald, "We communicated that we would not support a waiver to the Jones Act and neither would the White House and the DOD, or DHS." McDonald responded, "Sounds like good news," and indicated that he was pursuing the matter himself. Later that year, a state energy report complained that "Massachusetts imports LNG from Trinidad and Tobago, while U.S. gas is sent overseas on foreign–flagged ships."
Video for the leftie OTers.
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Anyway, Cato Institute trade policy specialist Scott Lincicome points out that American ships cost much more than the subsidy difference, "four to five times more to build than ships in Japan or Korea," mostly because of "decades of being protected from competition, simply not having to innovate."
Today no American shipyard builds even one ship that can carry natural gas. That's a big problem for New England if we have a cold winter. Eversource president Joseph Nolan worried there wouldn't be enough gas for the winter because he couldn't "get relief from the Jones Act." No wonder New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu calls the act an "antiquated 100-year-old union driven policy."
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That's a major stumbling block for Kunkel's plan to ease truck traffic along the I-95 corridor in Connecticut. He'd like to buy four mid-sized cargo vessels—big enough to fit more than 80 tractor-trailers but far smaller than the massive container ships built to cross oceans—to move goods from New Jersey to Long Island, bypassing the bottleneck of New York City.
A boat like that costs about $65 million on the international market, he says. But to get one that complies with the Jones Act will cost $125 million, or more.
"So now the numbers don't work," Kunkel tells Reason. "If we can't compete with trucking or support trucking, then there's no sense building the ship."
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:26 pm to LemmyLives
That’s all pure nonsense. The northeast lefties won’t allow pipelines to be built that could carry natural gas into their states from shale fields in West Virginia cheaper than any ship could whether it was US flagged or not. Blaming the Jones Act for an issue that shouldn’t have anything to do with the Jones Act is ridiculous
And the difference in price for building a Jones Act compliant ship is almost entirely labor costs. It costs more to build things in America because Americans don’t want to work for slave wages. That’s really nothing isolated to just the maritime industry
And the difference in price for building a Jones Act compliant ship is almost entirely labor costs. It costs more to build things in America because Americans don’t want to work for slave wages. That’s really nothing isolated to just the maritime industry
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:54 pm to Dicey11
Ruddock
Wiped out by a hurricane in 1915. Now, it's just an exit ramp and boat launch.
Wiped out by a hurricane in 1915. Now, it's just an exit ramp and boat launch.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:59 pm to Paul Allen
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interstate
But you do realize that it's only been an interstate very recently?
Posted on 9/17/23 at 11:34 pm to Dicey11
Port Vincent/Galvez/Bayou Manchac/ Gardere
I posted on the OT a while back looking for Fort Bute. The French and British used Amite and Bayou Manchac as a shortcut between the Gulf and Mississippi. Apparently the route was fairly navigable half the year with regular cleaning of logs and debris. It was a serious shipping corridor that did not deal with the currents and silting like the mouth of the Mississippi River. It also allowed British to avoid Spanish territory further south. Proposals were put in for funding to widen, dredge and add canals to make the Bayou Manchac and Amite route THE main shipping route. Galvez and Port Vincent could have been major port cities like New Orleans. Fort Bute (near U Club) would have been the gateway to the Mississippi.
I posted on the OT a while back looking for Fort Bute. The French and British used Amite and Bayou Manchac as a shortcut between the Gulf and Mississippi. Apparently the route was fairly navigable half the year with regular cleaning of logs and debris. It was a serious shipping corridor that did not deal with the currents and silting like the mouth of the Mississippi River. It also allowed British to avoid Spanish territory further south. Proposals were put in for funding to widen, dredge and add canals to make the Bayou Manchac and Amite route THE main shipping route. Galvez and Port Vincent could have been major port cities like New Orleans. Fort Bute (near U Club) would have been the gateway to the Mississippi.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:24 pm to AutoYes_Clown
In one spot you claim:
and in another:
So, which is it?
If the cost differential of the ship is a product of expensive labor, and the Jones Act adds huge amounts of unnecessary labor by forcing the redistribution of cargo from long haulers to smaller Jones compliant boats for final delivery, it add *massive* costs to the distribution of goods.
You can have A, you can have B, but you can't have A & B simultaneously be true.
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the Jones Act doesn’t meaningfully drive up the prices of anything you purchase
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Americans don’t want to work for slave wages. That’s really nothing isolated to just the maritime industry
So, which is it?
If the cost differential of the ship is a product of expensive labor, and the Jones Act adds huge amounts of unnecessary labor by forcing the redistribution of cargo from long haulers to smaller Jones compliant boats for final delivery, it add *massive* costs to the distribution of goods.
You can have A, you can have B, but you can't have A & B simultaneously be true.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:27 pm to BoardReader
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Americans don’t want to work for slave wages. That’s really nothing isolated to just the maritime industry
So, which is it?
Building something like that is going to be expensive regardless. How much would a phone or TV cost made in the US?
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:30 pm to Dicey11
Grand Isle/Caminada, if not for the same issues as Galveston.
Maybe Port Sulphur. Hurricane Betsy relocated some folks.
Maybe Port Sulphur. Hurricane Betsy relocated some folks.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:33 pm to Deactived
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Building something like that is going to be expensive regardless. How much would a phone or TV cost made in the US?
It'll be contingent on a number of things, but the main expense there would be the microprocessing components that have few distributors anywhere in the world.
It'd be more competitive than you expect, and has been becoming moreso with time since about 2018.
There are a host of industries where people assume that American labor is just priced out of competition, but that isn't the case, especially as cheap labor pools are drying up globally.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:37 pm to Big Bill
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Big Bil
You are 100% correct and now I 100% know who you are
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:19 pm to Dicey11
Krotz springs could have been 1500 instead of 1400
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:58 pm to Dicey11
Monroe if Delta Airlines had stuck to its namesake.
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