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re: What are your thoughts on the "albion's seed" theory of American cultural history?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:00 pm to Bmath
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:00 pm to Bmath
As funny as the whole Florida man is it’s a myth. Only a phrase because it’s illegal for them to put the guys actually name as per Florida law.
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Agree for the most part but other groups (not British) had a big part of founding the culture of America.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:02 pm to WaWaWeeWa
No it’s not.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:07 pm to Havoc
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Good point. Theory sounds good but with some outliers esp in the gulf south.
Sort of the bridge between the Scots Irish and the Lowland Southerners (both who likely equally influenced Louisiana culture together with the French)
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:10 pm to OWLFAN86
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Scots and Irish arent human
FIFY
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:12 pm to justaniceguy
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No it’s not.
Go read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell then get back to me
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The South of England to Virginia
The Cavaliers and Indentured Servants (Gentry influenced the Southern United States' plantation culture)[5]
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Borderlands to the Backcountry
The Flight from North Britain (Scotch-Irish and border English influenced the Western United States' ranch culture and the Southern United States' common agrarian culture)[7]
These are the main groups that settled and thereby exerted its culture on to the south (including north Louisiana).
Most of the people and their ancestors that for generations have lived in the south, Texas, and parts of the west are descended from these two groups. Obviously there aren't as many in southern Louisiana.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I have read it.
I don't agree with it, but that's not what my comment was even talking about lol. I was answering your question regarding if these two theories are connected. They are not.
I don't agree with it, but that's not what my comment was even talking about lol. I was answering your question regarding if these two theories are connected. They are not.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:18 pm to fr33manator
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Great thread! And I subscribe to such a theory, the Scots-Irish were were some of the most warlike clans and brought that fighting spirit and rebelliousness with them.
The Scottish were the first to introduce fried chicken as well.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:18 pm to Kafka
English, Irish, and Scottish are not related at all
There’s a reason they fought each other like crazy. It’s not because they like to just fight for no reason. They are very different entities (in ancestry).
English are Angles and Britons then Normans
Scotland is essentially Nordic but isolated from Norway genetically
Ireland is Nordic as well but due to literal viking conquest. The Vikings used it as a base to launch raids against King Edmund and the ancient fledgeling English kingdom.
Dublin is literally old Norse for “Black Water”
There’s a reason they fought each other like crazy. It’s not because they like to just fight for no reason. They are very different entities (in ancestry).
English are Angles and Britons then Normans
Scotland is essentially Nordic but isolated from Norway genetically
Ireland is Nordic as well but due to literal viking conquest. The Vikings used it as a base to launch raids against King Edmund and the ancient fledgeling English kingdom.
Dublin is literally old Norse for “Black Water”
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:22 pm to Delacroix22
and the Celts?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:28 pm to Delacroix22
According to this, Irish are the furthest away from Scandinavian countries out of the British isles, and we are closer together than we are to any other countries.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Team Borderer.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
All I know is our culture has diverged to cheap, over sexualized and contradictory. And it won’t survive.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:00 pm to dgnx6
True to an extent
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think it makes a lot of sense, but I also think Fisher simplifies some things. It is simplistic to say everyone from Mass was from East Anglia or that everyone from the South was from Scotland. Neither are true. Ben Franklin was born and raised in Boston and his dad was from central England (not East Anglia). Ans, as for the South, it had more immigrants from England than it did Scotland. (It is a myth that the South is full of Scots-Irish people).
Also, Fisher doesn't really explain the religiosity of the modern South. In the colonial days, New England was full of hardcore Puritans while Virginia/Carolina was much more moderate. Today it's totally the opposite. I guess part of it can be explained by George Whitefield who was the man who started the "evangelical" movement in America (a few decades before the Revolution). Evangelicalism caught on in the south (and in the frontier areas), but not so much in New England.
Also, Fisher doesn't really explain the religiosity of the modern South. In the colonial days, New England was full of hardcore Puritans while Virginia/Carolina was much more moderate. Today it's totally the opposite. I guess part of it can be explained by George Whitefield who was the man who started the "evangelical" movement in America (a few decades before the Revolution). Evangelicalism caught on in the south (and in the frontier areas), but not so much in New England.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The US is and has always been a part of the "Anglosphere."
When the UK passed the torch of world leadership to the US, it represented a continuation of a beneficial, global hegemonic presence that suppressed and ended slavery and enhanced civil liberties, representative government, modern science, modern medicine, free markets, economic liberty, and humanitarian concerns.
When China passes the US as global hegemon, all those things are done and gone.
Long live the king and let freedom ring!
When the UK passed the torch of world leadership to the US, it represented a continuation of a beneficial, global hegemonic presence that suppressed and ended slavery and enhanced civil liberties, representative government, modern science, modern medicine, free markets, economic liberty, and humanitarian concerns.
When China passes the US as global hegemon, all those things are done and gone.
Long live the king and let freedom ring!
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:59 pm to Breauxsif
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The Scottish were the first to introduce fried chicken as well.
I'm not sure how a culture can give us delicious fried chicken, then decide haggis was appetizing.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm only half-way buying into this. He paints some very broad stroke here. I think the south is two different parts: the Virginia and going inland/ Carolinas/Georgia and the Florida/coastal gulf states south. The Spanish and French had far greater influence on Florida and the gulf coastal states. The preponderance of Catholics and Catholic cultures from Sabine river all the way to the tip of Florida was all due to the French and Spanish.
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