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re: "What are your salary expectations?"
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:32 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:32 pm to goldennugget
I’ve always said this part of a job interview is like buying a car. Just be transparent about the price. They aren’t because it is 100% a tactic to low ball you. I always just say what I currently make (usually fudge it by 10k).
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Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:32 pm to 13SaintTiger
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How were you the #1 data scientist at a major broadcasting company, let go and out of work for all of 2021 during a time when data scientists can’t keep recruiters away. Something isn’t adding up
Broadcast TV is a tough industry. Constantly declining TV ratings means constantly declining revenues.
They decided to outsource my role to a contractor. Easy way to save 6 figures in the budget is to pay someone to do my job part time.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:34 pm to AndyCBR
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And yes, the recruiter wants to make their job easier by using your answer to exclude you from consideration and eliminate a resume from their pile.
I think the intent of the question is to ensure that it makes sense to request time from the hiring manager to speak with you. It's just checking that box more than a negotiation.
Just tell then what you make and that you're looking for an increase. Follow by saying that you want to focus on vetting whether this is the right next step in your career and that the hiring manager sees you as the right fit for the job.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:35 pm to goldennugget
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This post was edited on 4/30/21 at 6:24 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:38 pm to bigblake
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They asked me for the “minimum” I’d accept and I told them. They (the HR rep) were very forthcoming and told me their upper boundary (which was below my ask). They went back to management and decided to raise their upper bound by 20%, to my minimum, but I still turned it down. It was a lateral move, and I wanted a promotion in responsibility, so I wasn’t going to go for cheap.
This is what worries me, is that if you give them a range, they will give you the lower end of the range if they offer you.
Lot of good advice in this thread... will try to use it in my upcoming phone screens and interviews.
I keep making it to the final round of interviews only to be told that they are going with another candidate. I am retooling my approach to interviewing to talk less about my strengths in data, analytics, coding and all of that because everyone interviewing for the positions I am applying for will be strong in those areas, and instead to talk more about how I am different from the rest and what I will bring to the table that others won't.
Just did that with a Big 4 interview I had and hopefully it resounded well.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:39 pm to goldennugget
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I've probably been asked this two dozen times in the last 3 weeks doing initial phone screens for job interviews, and still don't believe I can answer it right.
I wish recruiters would just be open about what the salary range is for the position up front. I feel like them asking you instead of them telling you what the range is, is a way to box you in or low ball you. I've been a hiring manager in the past and would be 100% transparent with the people I was interviewing in regards to that.
Most of the time I play chicken with the recruiter until one of us caves.
What is the ideal way to answer this?
I’m hiring now and I always ask that question.
My #1 motivator on asking? I want to know what you think you’re worth.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:41 pm to goldennugget
It took me a long time, but I finally figured out that it's a mistake to be honest with recruiters for two reasons.
First, they're going to try to low-ball you based on whatever your salary is now, even if they are external recruiters.
Second, they're not going to be honest with you about whatever job it is you're applying for anyway, so there is no reason for you to be honest with them. They always say things like "great work-life balance," "great culture," etc. It's always bullshite; they get paid on commission. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear because they're trying to get asses in seats.
First, they're going to try to low-ball you based on whatever your salary is now, even if they are external recruiters.
Second, they're not going to be honest with you about whatever job it is you're applying for anyway, so there is no reason for you to be honest with them. They always say things like "great work-life balance," "great culture," etc. It's always bullshite; they get paid on commission. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear because they're trying to get asses in seats.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:48 pm to goldennugget
quote:"Make it rain MF, make it rain! I wanna be able to afford to retire in 3 years but doing so well I don't want to retire then."
What is the ideal way to answer this?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:52 pm to goldennugget
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goldennugget
Are you contacting the companies / applying directly, or working through a recruitment agency?
If an agency, (1) frick them, and (2) I'd strongly agree with changing your approach. They are quick to have a rolodex of stereotype candidates and could be pitching you in a box. "Hey client, I'm going to show you the young go-getter guy, the old seasoned guy, the diversity option, and goldennugget".
Change it up. Don't get put in a box. JMO.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:52 pm to FinleyStreet
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It took me a long time, but I finally figured out that it's a mistake to be honest with recruiters for two reasons.
This is incorrect. The more transparent you are the more you’ll get in the long run. The good recruiters will know when they’re being lied to or BS’d.
I heard a recruiter asked for offer contingent on a recent payroll stub verifying what they currently made could be sourced.
Not to call you out but people who give advice like this vastly overestimate their ability to negotiate convincingly and successfully.
I negotiate services for a living and I’ve studied and done it all. You’re 1,000% more successful going the honest and transparent route.
You’re not as smart as you think you are. You might be half that smart.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:55 pm to DiamondDog
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I heard a recruiter asked for offer contingent on a recent payroll stub verifying what they currently made could be sourced.
This is now illegal, I believe
EDIT: Researched. Seems it is in some, but not, states.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:57 pm to goldennugget
I’m in the same field with less exp and clear 200. Wait it out
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:59 pm to goldennugget
I thought you just played poker for a living?
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:03 pm to goldennugget
This thread reminds me of the job interview scene on Good Will Hunting with Ben Affleck..
Good luck in your search bro.. I agree that talking about the intangibles that you can bring to the table is a good idea.
Good luck in your search bro.. I agree that talking about the intangibles that you can bring to the table is a good idea.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:11 pm to DiamondDog
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The good recruiters will know when they’re being lied to or BS’d.
There are very, very few "good" recruiters. I've run into exactly one of them in my 15 years of working with dozens of recruiters both on bringing new hires in and trying to find jobs myself. It's an extremely low barrier-to-entry job, so you're generally dealing with people who have liberal arts degrees and have never even worked in your field.
I don't think I'm a genius by any means, either. I just know what's worked for me in the past and what hasn't worked.
If anyone is worried about verification, then don't share what you make at all. Just share what you'd like to make. And don't be afraid to kick the really shitty ones to the curb. It's an over-saturated industry anyway; there's always someone wanting to work with you if you have skills that are in demand.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:12 pm to goldennugget
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"What are your salary expectations?" by goldennugget
Have you asked one of your Jewish friends to teach you how to negotiate?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:13 pm to goldennugget
'enough to hurt your feelings and improve your bottom line'
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:20 pm to goldennugget
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What is the ideal way to answer this?
In my experience, the hire tends to start with seeing if the person is a good fit. The position already has a pay range and some of it is DOE. If the person is a good fit, a proposed salary is offered and negotiations start from there. I wouldn't have it posted up front before getting to know the person. A good candidate will be worth more and that type of person will know it.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:26 pm to Hawgeye
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My #1 motivator on asking? I want to know what you think you’re worth.
I think hiring people playing games like this is a symptom of how broken the interview process is for many companies.
You have a need, they have a skill set. Just do an honest effort getting to know them and sharing about the position so everyone can make an educated choice on an important decision
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:27 pm to goldennugget
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Data Science, Big Data, Market Research
We're hiring, but you might have to work for me.
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