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re: Westlake Area: Entergy, Crescent Midstream collaborating on large carbon capture project

Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:14 pm to
Lots of money being spent on this.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:15 pm to
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I have a very sneaky suspicious ole El Gaucho knew that when he typed it out.
Posted by WillieD
Lafayette/BR
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:15 pm to
What does $2 per ton per acre equate to for a carbon capture project?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:31 pm to
i mean i guess, its not free money though. someone has to pay
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:33 pm to
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I literally sat in a meeting with a DOE PI (principle investigator). Just parroting what she said.

May be right. I saw they were getting around 65B from the infrastructure bill. They might have that much if you look at all the programs going back to the early 2000s.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:39 pm to
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May be right. I saw they were getting around 65B from the infrastructure bill. They might have that much if you look at all the programs going back to the early 2000s.


The context was casual and just a side comment while discussing FOA application.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:44 pm to
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What does $2 per ton per acre equate to for a carbon capture project?


I assume you're asking because you or someone you know has been approached to lease their pore space for a project.

There's loads of variables to figure out what that would mean in pure dollars. If the company negotiating the agreement is smart, there's some sort of pro-ration language built in. So far example, to keep it simple and stupid:

Proposed storage complex size: 100 acres
You tract: 50 acres

Your per ton payment of what is injected would actually be $1 per gross ton, as your net interest in the complex is 50 out of 100 acres.

Now...these storage complexes for the big projects are much larger than 100 acres, and seismic data will determine how the CO2 SHOULD migrate over the years, hence how big and what shape your proposed storage complex should be.

Again, no Class VI permits have been approved yet in Louisiana or Texas. In fact, maybe less than 5 across the whole country? Each state is likely figuring out how to legislate and govern how the property rights equate to what agreements are needed and how royalties are paid to the pore space owner. Someone is going to get sued over this, I'm guessing pretty soon during the onset of injection and payments for one of the first few large injection sites, so we should have some case law eventually established.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:52 pm to
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Someone is going to get sued over this

It's almost always a neighbor who isn't getting any money.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:56 pm to
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It's almost always a neighbor who isn't getting any money.


In the case of Class VI, it's a requirement that seismic is shot every five years to monitor the migration of the plume. So if it goes outside the proposed storage complex, then the operators themselves should eventually find out.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:27 pm to
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Ashcroft said they have not chosen the storage site yet but are looking at several different locations where companies have Class 6 permits with the Louisiana Department of Energy and Natural Resources for deep well injection.

Are these companies sitting here in the room with us right now?

For real though, zero companies have a Class 6 permit in LA right now. Maybe this article is just worded weird.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:30 pm to
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I just can't imagine $85/ton 45Q can keep getting funded once we have these projects all over the Gulf Coast and Midwest.

Isn't that Air Products project 5 million tons a year too?
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:33 pm to
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The climate change nuts are happy because they think they are saving the environment.

They really aren't though. They are fighting like hell next to the staunch rednecks in BFE Louisiana against the CCS projects.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:35 pm to
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couldn't the CO2 just leak back out of the ground kind of like oil and gas seeps out?

So unlikely that the answer is no. However, on a long enough time horizon I wouldn't say anything is definitive.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27163 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:52 pm to
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Are these companies sitting here in the room with us right now?

For real though, zero companies have a Class 6 permit in LA right now. Maybe this article is just worded weird.


None approved, but several current permits filed with LA DNR waiting on final approval. Several have already received approval for their Class Vs to drill strat wells for the project. Air Products even has info published on one of their strat wells in Maurepas.

LINK

Entergy/Crescent could always purchase a Class VI in the region once approved. Currently, Gulf Coast Sequestration has two projects in Calcasieu with filed permit applications, and Hackberry Carbon Sequestration and Venture Global CCSU currently have one each in Cameron.

Now the way the article is written, guess I was under the impression that the site for the CCSU project was on property owned by Entergy. If that's the case, then maybe it's one of the Gulf Coast Sequestration (which is the Matilda Gray Stream family business venture) permit sites in Calcasieu??
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27163 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:53 pm to
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Isn't that Air Products project 5 million tons a year too?


That's what has been advertised. My elementary understanding is that once they get back and analyze the results of both the strat well(s) and the seismic, then that number can be revised to be a bit more accurate.
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Carbon capture is a wealth transfer through tax incentives




This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3803 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:29 pm to
I'm not an engineer by any means but can't they just capture a lot of that heat and make even more energy without have to build a giant arse pipe into the ground. I know the Cabot carbon black plant down in Franklin does something similar.
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2790 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:01 pm to
The the sell of carbon credits by large land owners. Literally made a whole commodity market out of thin air and they’re all getting richer because of it.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11315 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:19 pm to
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take the post-combustion or the CO2 from that power plant and then capture it and store it about thirty miles away underground


Okay so what happens to the CO2 stored in the cavern.

Could it leak out or displace other layers in the strata.


Could the CO2 compress and form into a solid under pressure?


Could it also escape into the water table turning water wells in the region in to soda water?


Could one day future earth beings drill for carbon dioxide as a necessary element?


These are questions from the OT science department.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27163 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Could the CO2 compress and form into a solid under pressure?



That's what I'm told it would do.

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Could it leak out or displace other layers in the strata.


Maybe. In the Permian in areas where you have mineral leases/operating rights limited to certain depths, there's been battles between operators that one company's EOR operations of either CO2 or produced water is flooding out another's potential production.

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Could it also escape into the water table turning water wells in the region in to soda water?


Maybe. If the casing is bad, and if it seeps that far up. In Louisiana, the water table is pretty damn shallow compared to some of these zones like the Miocene and such. Look at it this way, you won't have to pay the stupid prices for Topo Chico.

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These are questions from the OT science department.



Oh shite, disregard all the above, then. Way above my pay grade to answer to that department.
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