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re: Were you raised in a racist environment?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:55 pm to Barbellthor
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:55 pm to Barbellthor
quote:when you see a white dude dressed like this you think,, WHAT A frickING DUMBASS
If I see a white dude dressed like he thinks my life is worth whatever I may or may not be carrying in pocket, I'm not exactly going to let him give me a close shave with my eyes closed. And when it's a black person, coupled with the extremely higher rates of violent crime in the black community, why should those initial feelings based on poor self appearance change?
When you see a black due dressed like this , you think
If only someone gave this guy a chance
then you lock your cars doors and get the frick out of there
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:56 pm to High C
quote:
I very much was. Not many days went by in my childhood or adolescence that I didn't hear a conversation or rant about "those damned n*****" or "those worthless n*****". This came from family, friends and acquaintances of family, pretty much everyone in my environment. That is not an easy thing to overcome.
It's almost given if you grew up in the deep south with parents that were born prior to the 70's. Although most of the remnants of that time are gone now (as someone mentioned, water fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, etc) the towns around the area where I grew up still have white and black Catholic churches to this day.
My dad told me a story once that when he was a kid, a black man that lived not far away was helping out with a wreck when the town drunk wrecked into the wreck. The black man's hand got pinned and badly mangled. Most of the white men on the scene were willing to let him bleed out right there. My grandfather and a couple others loaded him into a truck and rushed him to the hospital. He ended up losing his hand but surviving.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:59 pm to High C
I was going to type out some VERY long as post, but the short answer is: yes.
The longer version goes something like this...
I like to look at it this way while being generous to my older family members who I loved dearly and who were respected tremendously by those who knew them.
My grandparents were born as close to the end of the Civil War in New Orleans as were are TODAY to the end of the Vietnam War. Being racist at that time in that place was, unfortunately, as common as breathing. And yet, my grandmother was well known in her community for giving away whatever she had, to whoever came through (they lived near the rail road tracks off of Jefferson Hwy) during the depression...regardless of color. But, she was definitely racist...
My Dad was born in the 30's and graduated from high school in 1953. He was an All-City athlete who played with and against guys you'd definitely know. But...he lived his entire youth in a VERY segregated city, having never ONCE gone to school with or competed against a black kid. In fact, it was not until he was 60 that he EVER had a black supervisor in his work life.
Hearing niigger for me was a nearly daily occurrence. But...I was born in 1970 and was always in fully integrated schools. I knew nothing but going to school with, being taught by on occasion, playing sports against, etc black people. So, even though I'd hear that stuff at home it never resonated with me personally, because I did not see what they were saying about these people. My friend base was mostly white, but there were a handful of friends I had that were black. The biggest obstacle there was that in our area there really WAS a black and white area, and because we lived far enough apart we did not play sports together until junior high and even then because they were driving distance away there was only so much hanging out you could do if you did not drive.
And yet...there are times when I may be driving today and some black person does something dumb (because they suck, not because they're black obviously) and some stupid thought races up to my mind out of habit of having heard it as a kid. Since I don;t actually think that, I shrug it off, simply call them an a-hole, and go on with my day!
And here's the important part...because I choose not to say those things, my sons have NEVER heard anything like that from my wife and I. They are, in a very surreal way, really kind of color blind in a way that I don't think I can ever be despite feeling that way inside.
So, I think the good news is that this ought to end entirely with my boys in my family, which I think is great.
The longer version goes something like this...
I like to look at it this way while being generous to my older family members who I loved dearly and who were respected tremendously by those who knew them.
My grandparents were born as close to the end of the Civil War in New Orleans as were are TODAY to the end of the Vietnam War. Being racist at that time in that place was, unfortunately, as common as breathing. And yet, my grandmother was well known in her community for giving away whatever she had, to whoever came through (they lived near the rail road tracks off of Jefferson Hwy) during the depression...regardless of color. But, she was definitely racist...
My Dad was born in the 30's and graduated from high school in 1953. He was an All-City athlete who played with and against guys you'd definitely know. But...he lived his entire youth in a VERY segregated city, having never ONCE gone to school with or competed against a black kid. In fact, it was not until he was 60 that he EVER had a black supervisor in his work life.
Hearing niigger for me was a nearly daily occurrence. But...I was born in 1970 and was always in fully integrated schools. I knew nothing but going to school with, being taught by on occasion, playing sports against, etc black people. So, even though I'd hear that stuff at home it never resonated with me personally, because I did not see what they were saying about these people. My friend base was mostly white, but there were a handful of friends I had that were black. The biggest obstacle there was that in our area there really WAS a black and white area, and because we lived far enough apart we did not play sports together until junior high and even then because they were driving distance away there was only so much hanging out you could do if you did not drive.
And yet...there are times when I may be driving today and some black person does something dumb (because they suck, not because they're black obviously) and some stupid thought races up to my mind out of habit of having heard it as a kid. Since I don;t actually think that, I shrug it off, simply call them an a-hole, and go on with my day!
And here's the important part...because I choose not to say those things, my sons have NEVER heard anything like that from my wife and I. They are, in a very surreal way, really kind of color blind in a way that I don't think I can ever be despite feeling that way inside.
So, I think the good news is that this ought to end entirely with my boys in my family, which I think is great.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:59 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:oweo alter
was going to type out some VERY long as post, but the short answer is: yes.
The longer version goes something like this..
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:00 pm to SeeeeK
quote:
SeeeeK
Dude, if you think that I'm looking for pity with this thread, then I have no comprehension of your way of thinking.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:01 pm to jdd48
quote:
the area where I grew up still have white and black Catholic churches to this day.
Churches aren't segregated it is a personal choice. Black Catholics largely worship differently than whites and vice versa. Are you suggesting the state direct individuals to specific churches to obtain racial balance?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:08 pm to High C
If you are white, no.
If you are black, depends on your SES.
If you are black, depends on your SES.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:09 pm to slackster
quote:exactly. What some don't get is that while they accuse the liberal media of shaping the narrative against them, Fox News does the exact same in the other direction
See, this is crazy to me. What is your experience with black hatred for whites? Something on TV doesn't count.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:fox news is against mexicans
Fox News does the exact same in the other direction
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:18 pm to MontyFranklyn
No one is colorblind. Humans are tribal in nature. It is a natural born instinct. I saw a series once where they put a bunch of 2 or 3 yr olds in large gym. None of these kids had ever been a victim of racism yet they naturally formed groups of hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians, etc. It’s a survival instinct because you feel safer being surrounded by those who resemble you. Same reason animals stick with each other.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:20 pm to Barbellthor
quote:They shouldn't. It is instincts for survival at that point. As I have grown, I have come to realize a few things:
If I see a white dude dressed like he thinks my life is worth whatever I may or may not be carrying in pocket, I'm not exactly going to let him give me a close shave with my eyes closed. And when it's a black person, coupled with the extremely higher rates of violent crime in the black community, why should those initial feelings based on poor self appearance change?
1.) Self accountability leads to ultimate success
2.) Learning from the past can provide insight for future success
3.) Racism from mental judgement doesn't harm anyone unless it is in a work setting(hiring) or the court system.
If you master the first two, the third one is easily worked around. You present yourself in the way you want to be perceived. That is a conscious choice. So if someone feels that they are being mistreated because of their appearance it ultimately comes back on them because that is the choice they made. If you want to be taken seriously you have to present yourself that way.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:very well reasoned thoughts and you present them so eloquently
MontyFranklyn
you must be one of those uppity ones
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:25 pm to High C
yep. 90% black town.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:27 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
oweo alter
Oh...I do love the sound of my clicking keyboard.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:27 pm to OWLFAN86
No, not uppity. I just have a general understanding about socioeconomic structure. I can argue that the policies of the past put poor blacks in the situations we see today. Economic, fiscal and social policies of the past have been detrimental, but I can also argue that accountability, or lack thereof, has contributed just as much to the cycle. Crying about it and begging for acknowledgement isn't going to change the current conditions, only the people in them can do that. The sad thing is, that the solution is extremely simple and can be fixed in half a generation.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:29 pm to Teufelhunden
quote:Juan Betanzos was Mexican.
He didn't happen to kick for the tigers did he?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:29 pm to MontyFranklyn
good lord I'm joking
109% of what i say on here is bullshite
109% of what i say on here is bullshite
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:31 pm to High C
Growing up, not really. But we grew up somewhat poor and had a lot of all types living near us.
About the only stuff I heard was my grandfather (RIP) complaining about the "sand n******" who ran the corner store where he would get cigarettes.
However, even today, among people I know who live near me, I see a whole lot of racism. Their kids are the same ages as my kids and all know each other, and I'm constantly talking with my kids about how it's bad to stereotype people based on color, religion, etc. I'd imagine many of my kid's friends are being "taught" racist attitudes. It's pathetic.
About the only stuff I heard was my grandfather (RIP) complaining about the "sand n******" who ran the corner store where he would get cigarettes.
However, even today, among people I know who live near me, I see a whole lot of racism. Their kids are the same ages as my kids and all know each other, and I'm constantly talking with my kids about how it's bad to stereotype people based on color, religion, etc. I'd imagine many of my kid's friends are being "taught" racist attitudes. It's pathetic.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:31 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
109% of what i say on here is bullshite
'Cept the gay stuff.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:32 pm to ThatMakesSense
oh for sure
totally serious about the dick
totally serious about the dick
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