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re: We sent over 5 million barrels of oil from strategic reserve to Europe and Asia last month

Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:19 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12693 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:19 pm to
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I was and still am against the export of oil, this reason is one that wasn't readily obvious, but I think shows we should have constraints.

If we ban exports, we effectively cap US production. The goal should be to produce more oil than we use, not to pass laws that guarantee the opposite.

Once production nears consumption under an export ban, we start to run into a domestic glut. US crude oil starts to trade at a discount. That discount may sound good right now when oil is expensive, but it means the producers have all of the risk with capped reward. Over the long term, that capped upside is going to weaken the industry and negatively impact production growth. The only question is how much. But the reality is that if it’s not enough of a discount to affect investment decisions, it’s also not enough to make much meaningful impact on price at the pump.

US refiners get to buy that crude at a discount. If we ban crude oil exports without banning refined product exports (as things were prior to the crude export ban being lifted) then we effectively just decreased production margins while increasing refining margins (since refiners still get to trade in the global market). Except some of that margin doesn’t get transferred and is instead lost altogether because of the reduction in market efficiency. So the result is a net loss of profit margin for the overall US energy industry. Again this may seem like a good thing right now, but it would have depressed growth for the past 7 years when prices were low.

If we were to ban both crude oil and refined product exports, it would effectively eliminate any possibility of US energy independence as measured by any combination of refined product and crude oil production.
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Seeing refiners balking at expansions and builds just makes my original fear of offshoring refining more of a reality.

Balking at expansions? Refinery capacities had been increasing at a pretty steady clip from the mid-late 90’s until 2020. COVID delayed many projects (both due to project execution issues and hesitance on investment decisions) but they are still spending money. If anything it seems like refineries and chemical plants are spending a crazy amount of money right now.

There are several major expansions ongoing right now (Exxon BLADE, Valero Port Arthur Coker, Marathon STAR project to name some big ones). Valero recently finished two new Alky units at the St. Charles and Houston refineries as well. One problem is that refiners (particularly Valero, but also others) have a ton of capital spending currently tied up in renewable diesel projects.

Regardless, refineries make expansion decisions based on their outlook on the crack spread over the next decade or more.. not the next year. Refineries don’t just respond to high margins by quickly adding capacity. It’s a prime example of why it’s important to make energy policy decisions based on a long term outlook and a desire for a strong, stable industry.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61396 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:22 pm to
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It’s a prime example of why it’s important to make energy policy decisions based on a long term outlook and a desire for a strong, stable industry.


Amen.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:41 pm to
Oil trading is global…this had nil effect on US retail fuel prices and more to do with untangling Russia’s network of dependence placed on Europe, also minimal in that endeavor. Much more will be needed to achieve both.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76452 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 8:49 pm to
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What we absolutely should never do is release reserves to foreign countries


We didn't
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23163 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 9:51 pm to
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do you know how much oil we have in our strategic reserves?




Less than we've had at any point in almost 40 years.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Charlie Kirk's America
Member since Nov 2007
14684 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 9:59 pm to
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At one point the OT cheered opening up crude oil exportation


Not of the strategic oil reserves you ignoramus WTF?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76452 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:31 pm to
How do you think releases from the strategic oil reserves work?
Posted by JJJrich
Member since Oct 2010
535 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:41 pm to
Great post @lostinbr
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 10:42 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76452 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:43 pm to
If only there weren't decades of evidence that contradicted a lot what he said.

*not saying there aren't many valid points.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 10:45 pm
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
3981 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:43 pm to
That is literally treasonous. LITERALLY.
And that is NOT hyperbole.
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
1442 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:45 pm to
I hate to think what would happen if we ever had a real emergency where we needed the reserve for its intended purposes (maintaining military, critical commerce, etc.)
Can you image how these idiots would prioritize needs?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:47 pm to
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I hate to think what would happen if we ever had a real emergency where we needed the reserve for its intended purposes (maintaining military, critical commerce, etc.)
Can you image how these idiots would prioritize needs?




I don't think you're going to have to imagine it for long. Just wait until harvest. About next month they'll be more overtly hinting at it (they already have subtly), but they'll have to outright say it come October. That's when things are really going to get fun.
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