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Was the Boxer Rebellion the most influential event in Chinese history?

Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:00 am
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:00 am
I’m admit I’m no expert on Asian history and I’d love to learn more, but I do pick up stuff here and there.

I was recently reading African Kaiser and they had a section on the Boxer Rebellion which is a subject I had only really heard in passing, but it kinda struck me as having so many implications for China greater than anything I’ve ever heard of at least.

Long story short, a bunch of European countries had holdings in China in the 1890s. And the Chinese people didn’t like it, including the empress (who by many accounts was a sexual TRex).

After the second opium war, the Chinese emperors had to agree to let westerners preach across all of China. This was very insulting to a lot of Chinese people. So in the late 1800s, religious anti-western martial arts societies started forming. Let’s call these groups boxers.

By all accounts, these Boxer groups were nuts. They believed they were invincible against western armies. They thought they could stop bullets with swords, etc. They slowly began assassinating western missionaries across China. This encouraged the local peasantry to also step up anti-western efforts.

Eventually a German diplomat was assassinated and the diplomatic quarter of Peking was besieged.

Soon after this happened, everyone’s least favorite newspaper, the Daily Mail, printed a completely false newspaper article claiming that every man , woman, and child in the diplomatic quarter was killed.

This infuriated the west. So, Great Britain, Germany, the US, France, Japan, Italy, and Austria-Hungry declares war on China. They came to China and completely wrecked ship. Martial law was instituted, all the boxers were summarily executed, and the Chinese Army was made into a laughing stock.

This whole incident showed how weak China truly was and the effects of this are the China we have today.

The Qing dynasty never recovered, collapsing several years later with us getting the brutal civil war between nationalists and communists.

These groups whoever, remained horrified with just how crazy all the different boxer groups were so they implemented hard line anti/religious followings. The boxers showed the leaders of China that ‘independent thought is dangerous’.

The Boxer rebellion wasn’t a very big war. But it was the integral war that transitioned imperial China into the current country it is today.


Anyway, just my random take on doing some light reading on the subject.


Btw, for you military folk. I read that the Western officers in Peking were strongly encouraged to get Chinese mistresses to learn the language. I’d be shocked if it is, but does anyone know if that’s still standard practice for occupying forces?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:22 am to
I don't think there has ever been a Chinese world champion. Certainly not a heavyweight.
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:30 am to
Han Dynasty for sure.

Some of the Middle Ages dynasties
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:34 am to
Battle of Red Cliffs
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 11:59 am to
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including the empress (who by many accounts was a sexual TRex).


Investigate more and you'll find out that this was patently false.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 12:08 pm to
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The Boxer rebellion wasn’t a very big war. But it was the integral war that transitioned imperial China into the current country it is today.


Not even remotely true. China was still dominated by imperial powers when Japan easily took a huge chunk of it and kept expanding. And that pissed of the other imperial powers and was largely what got the US into WWII. We placed severe embargoes on the Japanese for their behavior in China, and they responded with Pearl Harbor.

The Communists winning the civil war with the Nationalists as WWII wound down is what made China into what it is now.

ETA: Dan Carlin has been covering some of this in his current webcast Supernova in the East (about Japan and WWII). The first episode gets into Japan and China and is really excellent.

Stillwell and the American Experience in China is another excellent source - written by Barbara Tuchman who is always good.


This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 12:37 pm to
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Genghis Khan
Posted by ZenFNmaster
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 12:57 pm to
Not even close. The Mongolian triumphs over the Jin the Song dynasties are at the top of that list. Followed closely by the Japanese and the events leading up the Rape of Nanking.
When the Mongolians conquered the Song, China was arguably the preeminent modern society in all the world.
They also utterly devastated what was the second most advanced civilization at the time, the Quarismian empire, and followed that up by invading Baghdad and burning it to the ground and putting nearly the entire population of the city to death.
It's no wonder Islamic historians refer to the Great Khan as the Flail of God.
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 1:06 pm
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:27 pm to
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including the empress (who by many accounts was a sexual TRex).


Investigate more and you'll find out that this was patently false.


Unfortunate.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:29 pm to
Wasn’t it Kublai Khan who conquered China? I don’t know.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:30 pm to
No way. It was an interesting event and had repercussions but China has a helluva lot of history.
Posted by saint tiger225
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:30 pm to
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who by many accounts was a sexual TRex
What does this even mean?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:37 pm to
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What does this even mean?


It means they can’t masturbate.
Posted by Old Money
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 1:53 pm to
Wanna read about some cool shite? Read about chinese treasure ships. Also, how advanced China was during the Ming Dynasty.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 2:21 pm to
I’d say the introduction of Coke was. So much pee pee Since then
Posted by saint tiger225
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:14 pm to
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means they can’t masturbate.
What a horrible life.
Posted by Yewkindewit
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:01 pm to
I hope more people would follow boxing. It is a savage sport, however it does provide quite a bit of entertainment.....oh......nevermind!
Posted by Harry Morgan
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:27 pm to
The Empress made a ppor decision in attacking the embassies...including ours.
Ironically, the USA had no territorial concerns in China. Our Marine detachment held their ground until reinforcements arrived.

As for this being the most influential battle, I would say that Mao and the Communists surviving the "Long March" was most influential. I get that the Boxer Rebellion highlighted the differences between China and the West, but China has long held the belief that they were the "Middle Kingdom" situated between Heaven and Earth. As such, they have viewed the rest of the world as being beneath them. That is why China has no issues fricking over anyone else.
Posted by Mr Breeze
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:08 pm to
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Btw, for you military folk. I read that the Western officers in Peking were strongly encouraged to get Chinese mistresses to learn the language. I’d be shocked if it is, but does anyone know if that’s still standard practice for occupying forces?

They're sometimes called "talking dictionaries" and doubt anyone could learn Chinese either Mandarin or Cantonese from a mistress who can't teach or speak english, and even then it would take years, a complicated language. It's not condoned practice anywhere in our military.

Fascinating country they've had a written history and governance however brutal at times for over 3,000 years. They take a long term view of things.
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