re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?

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And we threw the last two.

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No, they threw a punch and we responded, then we knifed them after they were already beaten.

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FFS, quit acting like we did something wrong

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I said on here twice that I would have probably done the same, but maybe you can explain to me your need to view every action we’ve ever taken in the most positive light possible? Seems myopic to me.

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But, it was necessary in a war like that.

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No, it wasn’t.

There’s no answer other than stupidity on the emporer’s part for listening to the most hard line in his inner circle.

Doesn’t change the fact that the surrender we accepted was, for all intents and purposes, the same one they were offering before the nukes.

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I’ve asked him twice now what the objective of war is

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Well the objective of that war, as I understood it, was to defeat the existential threat posed by the axis powers and neutraize their ability to re-present that threat down the line.

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There’s no answer other than stupidity on the empirera part for listening to the most hard line in his inner circle.

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So were they ready to surrender or was Hirohito taking the advice of hardliners? It can't be both.

you also have to consider the timing and thought processes of the era.

WWI had only been over for a lil more than 25 years. That war saw the end of the German Empire.
only for it to rise again in less than a generation. And become something waaaaay more evil than their previous incarnation.

our leaders during WWII all were alive and old enough to witness that happening. Hell, Truman, Eisenhower, and MacArthur all served during WWI.
that the “War to End All Wars” didn’t even end one of the main causes of that war.

so now being equipped with a weapon capable of actually “ending” it, they used it.

were they necessary to end this particular war? maybe not.

did they maybe cause the entire world to have second thoughts about starting shite like that again?
no way to know for sure, but i’d say it’s at least plausible that those bombs may have prevented future wars from blowing up into global warfare.

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Doesn’t change the fact that the surrender we accepted was, for all intents and purposes, the same one they were offering before the nukes

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Again you have provided NO EVIDENCE of this.

It’s NOT in any of your links. I checked twice. You look like a real a-hole by continuing to say this.

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Doesn’t change the fact that the surrender we accepted was, for all intents and purposes, the same one they were offering before the nukes.

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You will NOT get the MESSAGE part I keep talking about.............

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I checked twice.

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Obviously not very well

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Doesn’t change the fact that the surrender we accepted was, for all intents and purposes, the same one they were offering before the nukes.

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You always have a qualifier when you make this statement, yet you can never detail what those qualifying statements entailed.

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Sure it can, People change their minds all the time.

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So either they weren't necessarily ready to surrender or you believe American commanders were aware of whose wildly differing advice the emperor was following on any given day?

In other words, according to your answer, the allies would have had no idea if Japan was ready to surrender because the emperor couldn't make up his mind.