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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?

Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:41 pm to
Like I said... it was message time... the whole world knew at that time not to frick with America...... until 9/11 when we became TOO free.....
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:42 pm to
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I actually was going to respond but that last comment just pisses me off to no end.


You mad, bro?

You're the one who started a thread that by clear implication suggests that Harry Truman and the United States needlessly murdered hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians.

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So fricking stupid.



Yep. You said it, but, hey, your thread.

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you must hate the USA


Since you are on the left side of the political spectrum, I think that's a rebuttable presumption at this point.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:43 pm to
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Like I said... it was message time... the whole world knew at that time not to frick with America


See I can accept that. Just don’t give me the million people would have died or the meaningless conditional vs unconditional nonsense
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:44 pm to
I won’t..... I see what you are saying there......
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:45 pm to
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Since you are on the left side of the political spectrum, I think that's a rebuttable presumption at this point.


Okay Hannity

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You're the one who started a thread that by clear implication suggests that Harry Truman and the United States needlessly murdered hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians.


I think it’s a conversation worth having
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 5:47 pm
Posted by wartiger2004
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:46 pm to
I RA’d this to move to the Poli board with the rest of your lib commie ilk
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:47 pm to
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I’ve posted it in this thread twice. Why do I have to keep posting the same thing over and over?


What terms did the Japanese offer the soviets?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:48 pm to
Surrender while keeping the emporer as a figurehead
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:48 pm to
Link?
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:48 pm to
No it’s really not...... there was a reason we did what we did..... lives came into play and a very strong message was sent...... they should have never attacked Pearl Harbor......
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:49 pm to
In the same link I’ve posted on here twice already
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:50 pm to
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there was a reason we did what we did


Right, to make a statement to Russia. Nothing more.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:50 pm to
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I think it’s a conversation worth having


So, I must assume that you are unconvinced by the results of Okinawa. I have never analyzed evidence that convinces me of the fact the Japanese were just going to surrender without being militarily defeated on the home islands.

If you want to argue that, maybe, Nagasaki was a quick follow up shot and that we should have let Hiroshima speak for itself - maybe I can see some argument in that.

Let me ask another way - if the Japanese or Germans had developed the bomb first, do you think they would have had any hesitation in either using it or suffered any sort of crisis of conscience after doing so?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:50 pm to
You are concerned about us leveling 2 cities when we had already killed more people and destroyed more cities with fire bombs

Why does it matter how we killed them?
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:51 pm to
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In order to love my country must I accept any and all narratives it’s puts out without any critical analysis whatsoever?


Telling that y’all can downvote this but can’t answer it.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 5:52 pm
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:51 pm to
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Just don’t give me the million people would have died or the meaningless conditional vs unconditional nonsense


you don’t exactly open yourself up to having a good conversation by calling that line of thinking nonsense
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:52 pm to
Okay, how about I call it war time propaganda instead?
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:52 pm to
Wtf.... sorry dude... it was for them attacking pear harbor..... now if Russia noticed this then I guess you could be correct.... if we wanted to we could have done the same thing to Russia and they wouldn’t have done shite about it...... but at the time Russia didn’t attack us..... if they would have the world would be totally different today....
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:53 pm to
He's argued about this before on the poliboard and usually gets demolished pretty quick. He's not really open to "conversation", that's just the phrasing the left uses when they aren't quite getting their way.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:53 pm to
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You are concerned about us leveling 2 cities when we had already killed more people and destroyed more cities with fire bombs



Well i did mention Dresden earlier but for the purposes of this thread it’s easier just to look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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