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Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:42 am to whitetiger1234
Yes. According to historians Hitler had a micro penis. He had to compensate somehow, but he tried too hard and didn’t want to appear soft.
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:42 am to whitetiger1234
No, it was a symbolic move that turned that city into the epitome of hell on earth.
(If anything) he should've stopped at using Artillery and bombing runs to level it and move on.
(If anything) he should've stopped at using Artillery and bombing runs to level it and move on.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:43 am to whitetiger1234
His generals wanted to go into Moscow, but Hitler also wanted Stalingrad as a propaganda piece.
It cost him dearly.
It cost him dearly.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:43 am to whitetiger1234
yes it ego and had he just bypassed it there was a very good chance for him to take over most of russia before the winter set in.
his arrogance allowed russia to move all its factories to its east coast away from the war action and that allowed russia to come back the next spring and steam roll the germans until they surrendered
much like most things in WW2 hitlers ego was the biggest reason they got defeated
his arrogance allowed russia to move all its factories to its east coast away from the war action and that allowed russia to come back the next spring and steam roll the germans until they surrendered
much like most things in WW2 hitlers ego was the biggest reason they got defeated
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:57 am to keakar
There were strategic considerations to Staliningrad vis a vis the oil in the Caucuses. It is a pipeline terminus and it has a nuigue position in that things coming up from the Caspian have to move through Stalingrad in order to move to the Black Sea
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:59 am to whitetiger1234
The siege and battle at Stalingrad was not necessary. It was only because of the name of the city, Stalingrad, why Hitler ordered the attack. There were more strategic aims than Stalingrad but Hitler wanted to shove his Tiger Tanks up Stalin's arse.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:01 am to jbgleason
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Urban city full of civilians - no value (unless you need slave labor). On the contrary, capturing a bunch of civilians means you now have to assign personnel to occupy the area and watch/guard them.
You are absolutely right. Military campaigns or waged for securing something of value. Stalingrad was humiliation that turned on Hitler.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:14 am to stratman
Stalingrad and Moscow justifiably so get the most attention, but why did the Germans not take Leningrad but instead decided to lay in for a long siege?
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:16 am to whitetiger1234
I was really disappointed during the world cup when Germany was one game away but failed to advance to face Russia in St. Petersberg. That would have been awesome.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:24 am to OleWar
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The Russians saw their opportunity by concentrating their attack on the Romanians who lacked just about anything, anti-tank weapons, artillery, coordinated air support, trucks and above all will.
Had decent German units been protecting the flanks, Stalingrad doesn't happen the way it does
Or had the Germans actually listened to the Romanians when they told them they were way undersupplied and vulnerable, maybe their flanks don't get caught so easily. But the Germans were going down either way once the Soviet counter started anyways. Maybe they hold out a little while longer on the flanks had they been properly equipped, but the counter was just too much for them to hold off after the winter they'd gone through and the amount of shite the Soviets counterattacked with.
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:27 am to whitetiger1234
Since we are doing what-ifs, Hitler should have done all he can in the ETO before moving to Russia. He had the RAF, and Britain, on the ropes before switching to civilian targets. Do that, and Britain falls which would have led to no staging base for the US. Then, and only then, should he have turned his attention. Well, after making sure supplies were adequate, etc. But I do agree on the oil fields post.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:30 am to whitetiger1234
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seems as if it was an act of over-confidence and arrogance.
It was.
His troops up north had Moscow literally in sight when he diverted them, and had the Russians retreating. He could have taken Moscow and rode out the winter but instead thought he had time to go get Stalingrad. When he did this it allowed Stalins troops from eastern Siberia to arrive to reinforce Stalingrad and they were prepared for the harsh winter.
Also Japan promising not to attack Russia on the east really fricked Hitler. That decisions and Pearl Harbor by the Japs really fricked Hitlers plans up, along with the Italians failure in Greece and North Africa
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:36 am to whitetiger1234
The whole operation was rushed because the Germans launched a desperate preemptive strike—the Soviets were amassing the largest invasion force in history on the German border, and the Germans frankly got lucky that they weren’t completely destroyed themselves in the first few weeks of a late summer Soviet attack. Even after capturing massive personnel and supplies on the border by surprising the Soviets, the Germans were outnumbered and outgunned.
Given this, going for a knockout punch by quickly trying to seize the three key objectives makes sense to me. They were not winning a prolonged conflict unless they pushed the Russians back past the Caspian and seized most of their wartime production, and that couldn’t occur until those three cities were KOed.
Given this, going for a knockout punch by quickly trying to seize the three key objectives makes sense to me. They were not winning a prolonged conflict unless they pushed the Russians back past the Caspian and seized most of their wartime production, and that couldn’t occur until those three cities were KOed.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:39 am to Pandy Fackler
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The episode for instance on how we won the battle of midway is pretty unsettling. It was dumb luck really.
There was a lot of dumb luck in WW2. I mean Dday was successful because we tricked Hitler into thinking we were launching the invasion 200 miles north of where we actually invaded. We did this by putting thousands of inflatable balloons that looked like Jeep’s, planes, and tanks along the English Channel banks
Posted on 11/27/19 at 11:42 am to 14&Counting
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That and he should have delivered the knock out punch and taken Moscow
Posted on 11/27/19 at 12:13 pm to ninthward
Hitler had no choice but to invade Russia.
He knew Russia couldn’t be trusted as they were responsible for polish incursions and attacks on German soil and for atrocities against Germanic people in Danzig.
He knew Russia couldn’t be trusted as they were responsible for polish incursions and attacks on German soil and for atrocities against Germanic people in Danzig.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 12:20 pm to whitetiger1234
No.
Oilfields in the Caucasus should have been his primary goal, with a robust rear-guard defense. Once he locked that down and started moving on Moscow (isolating Stalingrad), it's very likely that Stalin would have sued for peace.
Oilfields in the Caucasus should have been his primary goal, with a robust rear-guard defense. Once he locked that down and started moving on Moscow (isolating Stalingrad), it's very likely that Stalin would have sued for peace.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 12:27 pm to whitetiger1234
yeah it was an overstep. He should have just stuck with maintaining StubHub, but instead he got greedy and it became under communist control. Damn shame we let communists rip us off.
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