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re: Was Jesus Christ….
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:05 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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He could also be an amalgamation of one or more real people, along with a smattering of folklore, misremembered recollections and misheard stories, along with latter day individuals embellishing the legend for their own purposes.
Sure, if you choose to ignore the historical and literary evidence for Jesus’ life, death and resurrection as described in the gospels…
C.S. Lewis wasn’t that ignorant though. Which is why he eventually converted to Christianity after several years as a devout atheist/agnostic.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 8:35 pm
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:07 pm to Sus-Scrofa
I’m one on the fence and generally like the discussion. Extremely charismatic people have always gained followers and gained control over them. He was a real man, we know that. But in a time of way less scientific understanding, isn’t it possible he was a crazy charismatic self righteous lunatic? Not trying to stir anyone up.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:12 pm to mequan
He is for sure a tool of cult leaders
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:14 pm to mequan
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I’m one on the fence and generally like the discussion. Extremely charismatic people have always gained followers and gained control over them. He was a real man, we know that. But in a time of way less scientific understanding, isn’t it possible he was a crazy charismatic self righteous lunatic? Not trying to stir anyone up.
2000 years later and nothing has changed, just look at the political parties in this country.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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He could also be an amalgamation of one or more real people, along with a smattering of folklore, misremembered recollections and misheard stories, along with latter day individuals embellishing the legend for their own purposes.
Something to consider when it comes to who Jesus was and wasn’t. And I’ve posted this before but it bears repeating.
We know he was crucified by the Romans. We know that his followers all abandoned him when the Romans came for Him. We also know those same followers who abandoned Him, who initially went into hiding, then spread out around Asia, Africa, and Europe spreading His Gospel. They were persecuted, beaten, mocked, tortured, and killed but never once turned from their story. They all, these men who abandoned Jesus in life, later suffered and died horrible deaths all to tell people that Jesus was the risen Savior.
So what changed for these men?
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:17 pm to Darth_Vader
The tomb was empty and then He appeared to them.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:17 pm to Wayne Campbell
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The difference between a cult, a religion, and a mythology is simply the number of people who believe in it, how socially accepted it is, and how long it’s been since it was socially acceptable.
You’re missing one option.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:23 pm to mequan
Shut up
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:27 pm to Honest Tune
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The tomb was empty and then He appeared to them.
Zombie.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:28 pm to BayouBlitz
What cult leader do you know actually helped that many people and willingly went through that not to mention was the very vessel of God
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:32 pm to mequan
He was a friend of mine. Wish you knew him..
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:49 pm to Honest Tune
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The tomb was empty and then He appeared to them.
Indeed.. to paraphrase what Paul wrote..... If Christ did not rise from the dead then we are delusional...
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:30 pm to mequan
Now do Muhammad.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:39 pm to mequan
People on this board will be outraged I say this, but its absolutely true. Trump is a cult leader. There are a lot of people loyal to him and there are a percentage of those people who would do pretty much anything he ask.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:51 pm to mequan
Jesus is everything. He is pure love and peace.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:56 pm to OweO
People on this board will be outraged I say this, but its absolutely true. Trump is a cult leader.
Why do you continue to dive headfirst into the shallow end of the pool? If you really want to get into it, every President that’s been elected since we’ve been on this earth is really the same. Political parties, especially in today’s world are cults.
Why do you continue to dive headfirst into the shallow end of the pool? If you really want to get into it, every President that’s been elected since we’ve been on this earth is really the same. Political parties, especially in today’s world are cults.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:09 pm to Darth_Vader
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Something to consider when it comes to who Jesus was and wasn’t. And I’ve posted this before but it bears repeating.
We know he was crucified by the Romans. We know that his followers all abandoned him when the Romans came for Him. We also know those same followers who abandoned Him, who initially went into hiding, then spread out around Asia, Africa, and Europe spreading His Gospel. They were persecuted, beaten, mocked, tortured, and killed but never once turned from their story. They all, these men who abandoned Jesus in life, later suffered and died horrible deaths all to tell people that Jesus was the risen Savior.
So what changed for these men?
Fair points, OTOH Joseph Smith has been dead for 168 years. That's about how long it took for Christianity to spread widely throughout the Roman Empire. Joseph Smith's life and death are very well documented. The evidence of skullduggery in his 'revelations' is also well documented for anyone willing to examine it. Yet there are millions of Mormons worldwide. Thousands of young men, and a few young women, volunteer annually to take two years out of their lives to go on mission trips at considerable personal hardship, and sometimes personal risk.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:13 pm to Sus-Scrofa
quote:correct. Is He a liar, claiming to be someone He's not? Is He a lunatic for actually believing He is the Lord He claims to be? Or, is He the Lord He says He is? That's a question all of us answer in one way or another. And we're responsible for not just how we answer, but also what we do with our answer.
CS Lewis: he’s either a lunatic, a liar, or lord.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:15 pm to Jim Rockford
Jesus existed. He is an historical figure. There is more evidence to support the accounts of the New Testament than any other figure in antiquity.
Check out the papers and lectures of Gary Habermas, who lays it out very clearly.
Check out the papers and lectures of Gary Habermas, who lays it out very clearly.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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OTOH Joseph Smith has been dead for 168 years... Joseph Smith's life and death are very well documented… there are millions of Mormons worldwide. Thousands of young men, and a few young women, volunteer annually to take two years out of their lives to go on mission trips at considerable personal hardship, and sometimes personal risk.
And was Joseph Smith bodily resurrected three days after a public state-sponsored execution? And then appeared to hundreds of his followers on several occasions? And then ascended into heaven in front of their eyes? And then those witness-followers persecuted ostracized and martyred for proclaiming that fact for the rest of their lives?
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