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Voters in Switzerland approve stronger gun control laws despite resistance
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:04 pm
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GENEVA – Swiss voters on Sunday approved a measure to tighten the Alpine nation's gun laws, bringing the country in line with many of its European partners despite the objections of local gun owners, Swiss media reported, citing official results.
Switzerland's public broadcaster said more than 63% of voters nationwide agreed to align with European Union firearms rules adopted two years ago after deadly attacks in France, Belgium, Germany and Britain.
The vote Sunday was part of Switzerland's regular referendums that give citizens a direct say in policymaking. It had stoked passions in a country with long, proud traditions of gun ownership and sport and target shooting. Switzerland, unlike many other European nations, allows veterans of its obligatory military service for men to take home their service weapons after tours of duty.
The Swiss proposal, among other things, requires regular training on the use of firearms, special waivers to own some semi-automatic weapons and serial number tracking system for key parts of some guns. Gun owners would have to register any weapons not already registered within three years, and keep a registry of their gun collections.
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Switzerland is not an EU member, but is in the Schengen zone. A rejection could jeopardize the country's delicately managed relationship with the powerful economic and political bloc.
Opponents insist that such changes will violate Switzerland's constitution and do little to fight extremism or crime. They say the weapons used in recent attacks in Europe weren't obtained legally. They argue it will crack down mainly on lawful gun owners in Switzerland and ram through what they perceive as the latest diktat from Brussels on the rich country.
Jean-Luc Addor, a Swiss People's Party lawmaker from the southwestern Valais region, said adopting the EU directive would be "unjust, freedom-killing, useless, dangerous, and above all, anti-Swiss."
"With no effect on the fight against terrorism, it will only hit honest, law-abiding citizens who possess legal weapons (so, us!)," he wrote on his website. "It's the epitome of injustice."
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:10 pm to rickgrimes
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special waivers to own some semi-automatic weapons
This is how you know these people don’t know shite about guns
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:12 pm to rickgrimes
The laws created will not work on the lawless.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:13 pm to rickgrimes
Guns are only legal to own if you’re muslim
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:14 pm to rickgrimes
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Switzerland's public broadcaster said more than 63% of voters nationwide agreed to align with European Union firearms rules adopted two years ago after deadly attacks in France, Belgium, Germany and Britain
Yes, because the guns used in those attacks were obtained legally and the terrorists exploited some legal loophole to possess them
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:29 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
They’ll probably classify some calibers as military, 5.56 for example, and place restrictions based on that.
Of course you’re just as dead if someone shoots you with a .270 round.
Of course you’re just as dead if someone shoots you with a .270 round.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:31 pm to upgrayedd
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Yes, because the guns used in those attacks were obtained legally and the terrorists exploited some legal loophole to possess them
I’m guessing all of these weapons come from the former Yugoslavia, and the old Warsaw Pact nations. Ukraine is probably a huge source of arms right now.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:37 pm to rickgrimes
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Opponents insist that such changes will violate Switzerland's constitution and do little to fight extremism or crime. They say the weapons used in recent attacks in Europe weren't obtained legally. They argue it will crack down mainly on lawful gun owners in Switzerland and ram through what they perceive as the latest diktat from Brussels on the rich country.
And here is the point that gun owners everywhere are trying to get across. The only thing stricter laws will do is penalize people who have no intention of using them for criminal behavior. All these shootings and gun violence are committed by people who obtained their guns illegally (black market, straw purchases, theft, etc.). If criminals didn’t care about the gun restrictions and murder before, what makes you think they’ll care now?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:51 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I’m guessing all of these weapons come from the former Yugoslavia, and the old Warsaw Pact nations. Ukraine is probably a huge source of arms right now.
Eh, they could just as easily come from Lybia, Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc. I'm sure they wer smuggled in from outside the country. But, for whatever reason these retarded European progressives think that stripping their citizens of guns will solve the terror problem.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:08 pm to upgrayedd
Libya, absolutely.
Iran and Egypt. That’s less likely.
They have functioning states and while Egypt is corrupt, you’re not going to be able to buy 10,000 AKs on the black market there. That kind of theft would draw attention and get you executed.
Iran, also less likely, they supply arms to their clients, groups like Hezbollah, but at home ownership is heavily restricted. Major internal theft, also unlikely.
I would also be surprised If Syria is a major source of arms. Initially, maybe, as looters sold off stolen stockpiles. But many or those weapons would have been sold to rebel groups in country.
Guns are also unexpectedly expensive in war zones.
Iran and Egypt. That’s less likely.
They have functioning states and while Egypt is corrupt, you’re not going to be able to buy 10,000 AKs on the black market there. That kind of theft would draw attention and get you executed.
Iran, also less likely, they supply arms to their clients, groups like Hezbollah, but at home ownership is heavily restricted. Major internal theft, also unlikely.
I would also be surprised If Syria is a major source of arms. Initially, maybe, as looters sold off stolen stockpiles. But many or those weapons would have been sold to rebel groups in country.
Guns are also unexpectedly expensive in war zones.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:36 pm to rickgrimes
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The Swiss proposal, among other things, requires regular training on the use of firearms, special waivers to own some semi-automatic weapons and serial number tracking system for key parts of some guns. Gun owners would have to register any weapons not already registered within three years, and keep a registry of their gun collections.
Switzerland doesn't have barrel length restrictions nor full auto bans. Its amazing to see one of the gun stores over there. Literally gun owner paradise. It's also a country where leftists magically ignore the fact that it's a high gun owning nation that just so happens to be a perennial top 3 safest country in the world.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
You don't need to buy 10,000 guns. Just a couple. Iran is known to help arm terrorists, so having them pass off a few rifles to these European terror cells isn't unlikely
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:44 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:This always gives me a laugh when I discuss gun caliber bans with anti-gun people. Them-"The 5.56 is a military round that is extremely deadly. The doctors on tv say it just rips right through the body." Me-"You ever seen the exit wound on a .300 win mag lol?"
They’ll probably classify some calibers as military, 5.56 for example, and place restrictions based on that.
Of course you’re just as dead if someone shoots you with a .270 round.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:14 pm to el Gaucho
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Guns are only legal to own if you’re muslim
...aaannnnnd if they're used against non-muslims.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:43 pm to rickgrimes
quote:Such is the case with gun laws all over the world.
it will crack down mainly on lawful gun owners in Switzerland
I know this is a crazy thing to say, but criminals don't care about laws. /s
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:50 pm to Kino74
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It's also a country where leftists magically ignore the fact that it's a high gun owning nation that just so happens to be a perennial top 3 safest country in the world.
Just like leftists magically ignore the demographic that conducts the overwhelming number of gun crimes here in the US.
If we were lacking this demographic like Switzerland does, we'd probably have similar statistics.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:10 pm to rickgrimes
Lawful gun owners should revolt in the face of this tyranny.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:11 pm to rickgrimes
Europeans hate freedom. 
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:00 pm to upgrayedd
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Iran is known to help arm terrorists
They send weapons to their clients and partners. Groups like Ansar Allah in Yemen or Hezbollah in Lebanon. We’re talking bulk shipments in what are effectively military to military relationships.
If you’re buying guns in Europe, you’re probably buying them from organized crime syndicates that purchase and move them in large volume.
Otherwise, you smuggling them in yourself.
Iran isn’t giving gun people who hate them (Sunni Jihadists) so they can carry out terrorist attacks in a place that generally has good ties with Iran (Europe).
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:12 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
It’s a laugh, no?
Guns are inherently dangerous. They’re a tool for killing.
Guns are inherently dangerous. They’re a tool for killing.
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