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Very Simplified Description of What Happened this Week with GameStop Stock
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:53 pm
So take stocks. You know how they work. You buy one. It goes up or down in value. When you sell it, you make or lose money. That’s it.
Then you have mutual funds. They combine a lot of stocks together so investors don’t have to manage a thousand stocks. They just buy one mutual fund. Mutual funds are combo meals.
Then you have hedge funds. They do a lot of what mutual funds do, but they do more creative and aggressive things too. One of them is short selling.
What is short selling? Let’s say you think a stock’s value is going to go down. You can’t make money by buying the stock anymore. So you sell shares you don’t have, hoping that when the buyers show up to collect, you can buy the stock for less than you sold it.
Let’s say you knew bagels went stale but everyone else disagreed. You’d simply sell today’s fresh bagels with a delivery date of one week from now. Before delivery, you’d buy week old bagels at a severe discount. You’d pocket the money. That’s short selling.
Is short selling bad? Depends on who you ask. Many people think it’s dangerous for powerful interests to be rooting for the value of stocks to go down. And it can be. But sometimes stocks SHOULD go down. Short sellers helped expose Enron. Short sellers help expose pyramid or Ponzi schemes when others don’t have a financial interest to do so. If the world things bagels don’t go stale, maybe it’s good to teach them that lesson. Then maybe they’ll stop overspending on stale bagels.
Anyway, a group of investors surfing an internet message board on Reddit noticed a LOT of major hedge funds were short selling GameStop. That’s the store at the mall that sells video games that you assumed went out of business ten years ago. There was so much shorting of GameStop that the number of shares sold short exceeded the total number of shares in the business. That’s a lot.
So tens of thousands of individual investors decided to do something. They hatched a plan to “squeeze” the short sellers by buying up shares of GameStop and holding on to them. Lots of people. Lots of shares. So they did. And the stock price went up. And up.
Soon some hedge funds needed to buy GameStop shares to cover their short sales. They owed their customers stale bagels. So they bought shares, but at an inflated price. Sucks to be them. The stock kept going up.
More hedge funds had to buy shares to make good on their contracts, some with the very same message board people working to destroy them. So they kept buying shares. And losing money. Tons of money. And the buyers weren’t selling the shares. They were holding onto them. That was all part of the plan.
Is this market manipulation? You bet it is. Is it bad? That’s a big and complicated question. When powerful hedge funds or billionaires do this it’s considered market manipulation, even without inside information. But we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of individual retail investors, spending a few hundred bucks each. Are you going to go after each of them? For what? And unlike the single market mover playing with billions of dollars, these guys can afford to make bets on spite alone. Let’s say the whole thing failed, and they each lost a few hundred bucks. Is that tragic? Not really. It’s a very satisfying weekend in Vegas.
What does this mean for GameStop the business? Nothing. It’s still doomed. Sorry.
Then you have mutual funds. They combine a lot of stocks together so investors don’t have to manage a thousand stocks. They just buy one mutual fund. Mutual funds are combo meals.
Then you have hedge funds. They do a lot of what mutual funds do, but they do more creative and aggressive things too. One of them is short selling.
What is short selling? Let’s say you think a stock’s value is going to go down. You can’t make money by buying the stock anymore. So you sell shares you don’t have, hoping that when the buyers show up to collect, you can buy the stock for less than you sold it.
Let’s say you knew bagels went stale but everyone else disagreed. You’d simply sell today’s fresh bagels with a delivery date of one week from now. Before delivery, you’d buy week old bagels at a severe discount. You’d pocket the money. That’s short selling.
Is short selling bad? Depends on who you ask. Many people think it’s dangerous for powerful interests to be rooting for the value of stocks to go down. And it can be. But sometimes stocks SHOULD go down. Short sellers helped expose Enron. Short sellers help expose pyramid or Ponzi schemes when others don’t have a financial interest to do so. If the world things bagels don’t go stale, maybe it’s good to teach them that lesson. Then maybe they’ll stop overspending on stale bagels.
Anyway, a group of investors surfing an internet message board on Reddit noticed a LOT of major hedge funds were short selling GameStop. That’s the store at the mall that sells video games that you assumed went out of business ten years ago. There was so much shorting of GameStop that the number of shares sold short exceeded the total number of shares in the business. That’s a lot.
So tens of thousands of individual investors decided to do something. They hatched a plan to “squeeze” the short sellers by buying up shares of GameStop and holding on to them. Lots of people. Lots of shares. So they did. And the stock price went up. And up.
Soon some hedge funds needed to buy GameStop shares to cover their short sales. They owed their customers stale bagels. So they bought shares, but at an inflated price. Sucks to be them. The stock kept going up.
More hedge funds had to buy shares to make good on their contracts, some with the very same message board people working to destroy them. So they kept buying shares. And losing money. Tons of money. And the buyers weren’t selling the shares. They were holding onto them. That was all part of the plan.
Is this market manipulation? You bet it is. Is it bad? That’s a big and complicated question. When powerful hedge funds or billionaires do this it’s considered market manipulation, even without inside information. But we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of individual retail investors, spending a few hundred bucks each. Are you going to go after each of them? For what? And unlike the single market mover playing with billions of dollars, these guys can afford to make bets on spite alone. Let’s say the whole thing failed, and they each lost a few hundred bucks. Is that tragic? Not really. It’s a very satisfying weekend in Vegas.
What does this mean for GameStop the business? Nothing. It’s still doomed. Sorry.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:54 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I think there have been 25 threads like this on this site now
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:55 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
need pitbulls and 350
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:55 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
quote:
Very Simplified

Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:06 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy

This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:10 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
TLDR, so here’s the short version:
frick Robinhood and frick these hedge fund investors. You bet, you lost, eat shite and take your L.
Another day, another corruption exposed. Robinhood’s CEO deserves to be in jail.
The end.
frick Robinhood and frick these hedge fund investors. You bet, you lost, eat shite and take your L.
Another day, another corruption exposed. Robinhood’s CEO deserves to be in jail.
The end.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:11 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Cleared it up a little.
But how can you sell shares you don't own?
signed,
financially illiterate in Louisiana
But how can you sell shares you don't own?
signed,
financially illiterate in Louisiana
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:20 pm to tigahbruh
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But how can you sell shares you don't own?
There are a few different ways, but the more common approach is to make a deal with a broker to "borrow" a certain number and "give back" at a certain date or, sometimes, price. The owner of the stock may not even know.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:24 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Very Simplified Description
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:36 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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When powerful hedge funds or billionaires do this it’s considered market manipulation, even without inside information. But we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of individual retail investors, spending a few hundred bucks each. Are you going to go after each of them? For what? And unlike the single market mover playing with billions of dollars, these guys can afford to make bets on spite alone. Let’s say the whole thing failed, and they each lost a few hundred bucks. Is that tragic? Not really. It’s a very satisfying weekend in Vegas.
The hedge funds created the opportunity and the Redditors took advantage.
If they had shorted a small number of shares, there would be plenty of sellers. Over 100% is why Reddit had the short sellers by the short hairs.
There's no reasonable case for manipulation because there are too many individual Redditors to control. They all had to hope tens of thousands of strangers would do the same.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:41 pm to AgCoug
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quote:
But how can you sell shares you don't own?
There are a few different ways, but the more common approach is to make a deal with a broker to "borrow" a certain number and "give back" at a certain date or, sometimes, price. The owner of the stock may not even know.
I still don't understand this part. Not saying I'm not a dumbass but I just don't get how a broker can "loan" you shares that belong to someone else and why they would do it.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 2:05 pm to tgrmeat
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I still don't understand this part. Not saying I'm not a dumbass but I just don't get how a broker can "loan" you shares that belong to someone else and why they would do it.
This is where it becomes complicated. It depends on the firm, the broker, and the availability of stocks.
Many investors are "long" on the stock so they have it in their portfolio to lend when it comes up. They are not interested in short-term gains, so they allow brokers to automatically lend their shares at certain prices. They are getting them back, after all.
To get more complicated though is to look into securities lending. I would go to google for that. I doubt I could explain it very well. Still, in short, your broker pays you, the stock holder, a fee to borrow/lend your stock. You can make a bit of money doing this.
As to why they would do it, there is money to be made on both sides. The brokers receive commission, interest, and, occasionally, more value on the return. The risk to brokers is small. Also, if one brokerage does not lend to short-sellers, the short-sellers will simply go to one that does. So there is market incentive.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/29/21 at 2:10 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Bagels. Got it.
What if I want them with a schmear of cream cheese and some lox? What kind of trading instrument would that be equivalent to?
What if I want them with a schmear of cream cheese and some lox? What kind of trading instrument would that be equivalent to?
Posted on 1/29/21 at 2:12 pm to tgrmeat
The way I understand it - If you (correctly) think the price of X stock will go down between now and date Z, you go to a broker today and sign a contract to sell X stock at Y price on Z date. The broker is not wise to your inside info that the stock will in fact go down, but he adds on a $1 service fee to make money on the deal. Come Z date and the stock has in fact gone down $10, you then buy the stock at Y-10, then sell it to the broker, per the contract, for Y. Profit = 10-1 = $9.
Where it gets deceptive is when the contract holder does something dastardly to make the stock price go down, like put poison in Tylenol.
Where it gets deceptive is when the contract holder does something dastardly to make the stock price go down, like put poison in Tylenol.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 2:33 pm to tgrmeat
quote:
But how can you sell shares you don't own?
That's the golden question and is how oil/gas/hedge trader make their money from speculation (spec trading).
You are simply committing to deliver shares on a date for a certain price. The person you are selling them to doesn't know how long you've had them or from who you got them.
Make sense?
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