re: Vegetable oils proven toxic

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Vegetable oil makes the best hash browns, so I will just toss this one in the circular file

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I think what you're missing is the lack of controlled studies showing that cholesterol correlates negatively with all-cause mortality. From what I've seen, if anything, the reverse is true.

Let's put it this way - until the early 1900s, heart disease just basically wasn't a thing in this country. The American diet (especially the frontier diet) was awash in butter and animal fat/products. Fruits and vegetables were seasonal only - meaning large swaths of the year without many such items.

During/after WW1, "oleo" was foisted on the US population en masse. And industrial grains followed suit in the mid-century. All of this nonsense was formally codified in the late 70s with the "food pyramid", which essentially mandated 6-11 servings of grains as the "base" of the pyramid. And now we are surprised when people are fat, unhealthy, diabetic and dying of heart disease?

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You're absolutely correct that the food pyramid of the 90s, and the genreal recommendations at the time, are complete garbage in terms of nutritional guidelines.

There may be a lack of studies showing that total cholesterol correlates negatively with "all-cause mortality" because part of total cholesterol is HDL, which exerts numerous benefits throughout the body. Someone could have their total cholesterol well over 200 mg/dL, but if their HDL is over 100, they will probably be fine. This is why studies involving cholesterol are so sensitive - anyone could craft a study design and mathematical model to produce whatever results may be desired. More often than not, many of these studies done today arrive at a conclusion first, and then craft their study parameters to achieve the desired results.

However, when it comes to LDL cholesterol specifically, there is a fairly large consensus as to how detrimental it can be in the development of heart disease and atherosclerosis. And we don't just know this from studies, we actually understand the physiological biochemistry of how this occurs. In fact, decreasing your LDL can actually reverse atherosclerosis independent of alterations in HDL or systemic inflammation (serum CRP).

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However, when it comes to LDL cholesterol specifically, there is a fairly large consensus as to how detrimental it can be in the development of heart disease and atherosclerosis. And we don't just know this from studies, we actually understand the physiological biochemistry of how this occurs. In fact, decreasing your LDL can actually reverse atherosclerosis independent of alterations in HDL or systemic inflammation (serum CRP).

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That seems too reductive in and off itself. I would submit that we need to know way more about the composition of the LDL than just the topline LDL number that is always bandied about.

The meat and dairy industry isn't influential in nutrition research. Almost all of the research is financed by the junk food and pharmaceutical industries.

Those who are interested can read "Good calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes and "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz.

The Dirty Truth

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Even "Whole Foods" And "Sprouts" type of supposedly healthy shite vastly overuse nut and seed oils.

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For sure. I don't consume oil of any kind intentionally (almost impossible to completely eliminate). When you eliminate oil from your diet and you and start paying attention to labels you'll really appreciate just how much it's worked its way into everything.

It makes it hard to find junk food to eat. And once I got rid of sugar and dairy it became almost impossible (or very difficult) to be fat.

This thread inspired me to use my brisket trimmings to make beef tallow instead of throwing them away. It's a pretty easy process and you get plenty of oil from it.

1. Put fat in pot
2. Render on low for 6-8 hours
3. Strain to remove solid
4. Let cool

That's a great idea. Anything that you fry with it will taste great and be very nutritious.

Last year was terrible for most folks physical and mental health. Back in November I decided to devote 2021 to health.

I've spent hundreds of hours researching the history of nutrition science. I was shocked about how badly I was misled by propaganda.

Below is a great talk by a Stanford, Harvard and MIT trained scientist who was one of the early proponents of high fat low carb diets. There are great health and athletic performance benefits.

Dr. Stephen Phinney - 'The Case For Nutritional Ketosis'