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re: Vegetable oils proven toxic
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:20 am to White Bear
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:20 am to White Bear
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is veg oil not natural?
Read how it's made.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:34 am to Whiznot
We use primal kitchen avocado oil for almost everything requiring cooking oil. Guessed I’m screwed.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:38 am to ItNeverRains
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We use primal kitchen avocado oil for almost everything requiring cooking oil. Guessed I’m screwed.
Why would you be screwed?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:44 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
People who eat a lot of fast and/or processed foods. shite is in all kinds of stuff and it doesn't take too much to make up a huge percentage of your calories.
The focus on fried foods is missing the everyday oils most people eat. The fat in your baked goods/bread/boxed foods is most likely soybean oil. Your salad dressing is likely canola and soy, even if the label advertises olive oil.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:49 am to LSUfan20005
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The focus on fried foods is missing the everyday oils most people eat. The fat in your baked goods/bread/boxed foods is most likely soybean oil. Your salad dressing is likely canola and soy, even if the label advertises olive oil.
Yep. Reading the ingredient labels is illuminating.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:09 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Why would you be screwed?
Is avocado not a vegetable oil?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:10 am to ItNeverRains
Your avocado oil isn't one of the seed oils. Avocado oil is healthy like extra virgin olive oil.
Dr. Chris Knobbe - 'Diseases of Civilization: Are Seed Oil Excesses the Unifying Mechanism?
Dr. Chris Knobbe - 'Diseases of Civilization: Are Seed Oil Excesses the Unifying Mechanism?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:04 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil, avocado oil.
Deep frying with these? Damn man no need to flex your wallet that hard!
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:11 am to Whiznot
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Your avocado oil isn't one of the seed oils. Avocado oil is healthy like extra virgin olive oil.
Is this chart ranked in preferential order for health or simply content of saturated fat?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:22 am to Oilfieldbiology
The chart is ranked by saturated fat which isn't unhealthy regardless of what you hear on TV. What's most unhealthy is the omega 6 colored blue. The blue stuff is linoleic acid.
The world's healthiest populations consume linoleic acid at less than 2% of caloric intake. In the US we've grown from 1% of caloric intake to over 12% because of seed oil consumption.
The world's healthiest populations consume linoleic acid at less than 2% of caloric intake. In the US we've grown from 1% of caloric intake to over 12% because of seed oil consumption.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/5/21 at 1:21 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:
Is avocado not a vegetable oil?
Avocado oil is an exception as it is high in healthy fats. The blanket term "vegetable oil" in this context excludes avocado oil, olive oil, palm oil, and coconut oil. Those are the non-animal oils that you want to be consuming.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:29 pm to efrad
Yes, the healthy oils that you list are not the unstable industrial seed oils produced in huge refineries that resemble petrochemical refineries.
The seed oils are dirt cheap which is one reason they are in all processed food.
With the help of bribed institutions, the junk food industry demonized saturated fats. I was badly fooled until recently. I went decades without eating the bacon and eggs that I love.
The seed oils are dirt cheap which is one reason they are in all processed food.
With the help of bribed institutions, the junk food industry demonized saturated fats. I was badly fooled until recently. I went decades without eating the bacon and eggs that I love.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:36 pm to efrad
quote:Exactly. We're all going to die but some of us don't want to spend our 60's riding a scooter around the store.
Modern American medicine has ensured that people with diseases related to metabolic syndrome can live long lives. But that means people with those conditions can have decades of living with a reduced quality of life.
If eating food fried in beef tallow instead of canola oil means that I can avoid the conditions associated with metabolic syndrome (diabetes, stroke, heart disease, alzheimer's/dementia, etc.) for the last 20 years or so of my life, that sounds pretty good to me.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:38 pm to Whiznot
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The chart is ranked by saturated fat which isn't unhealthy regardless of what you hear on TV.
Observational studies don't have the ability to show a relationship between LDL cholesterol and saturated fat intake, and this has been exploited by numerous research groups that have been tasked with creating such studies with funds from the dairy and meat industries.
For decades we have seen randomized controlled clinical trials and controlled interventional experiments clearly show linear increases in LDL cholesterol as a function of saturated fat intake. However, the key part of these studies is that they have all measured changes in LDL cholesterol, which is highly individualized and based strongly on genetics and other lifestyle factors. The increase in LDL cholesterol in these studies is invariate, but because of this inter-individual variability in the baseline or "starting" level of LDL (ie, Person A may be at 80 mg/dL, while person B may start at 110 mg/dL), it can evade the scrutiny of certain mathematical models and study designs.
If you take a cross-section of the population, you will find no statistical correlation between saturated fat intake and LDL levels, because not everyone who eats "x" amount of saturated fat will definitively have over a certain amount of LDL cholesterol. And since deit and serum LDL show zero correlation cross-sectionally, studies done on the relationship between saturated fat and heart disease incidence experience the exact same results.
Meanwhile, study designs that utilize controlled feeding experiments and dietary change experiments show a very clear and strong relationship between serum LDL and saturated fat intake.
For example, here is one of the studies you've probably read and trusted - Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
And here are the findings. As expected, research utilizing observational studies don't have the mathematical power to show such a relationship, hence why you get results like this - A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:47 pm to Whiznot
quote:This is the #1 thing this country needs to realize and then somehow REMOVE from the absurd "health guidelines" we are hectored into following.
Vegetable oils proven toxic
The latter portion of this book is dedicated to the scourge of nut and seed oils (the very term "vegetable" oil is an industry construct that is largely inaccurate to begin with.) It's basically the case that this shite attacks you at the cellular level and fricks you up. I think Americans now get like 8% of their calories from soybean oil (vs basically 0% back in the day.) But it's RED MEAT that's the problem!
The Big Fat Surprise
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:47 pm to CHEDBALLZ
quote:yes
Is hog lard better?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:49 pm to OGtigerfan87
quote:Avocado oil or coconut oil. I prefer the former since it is basically taste-neutral. Coconut oil can actually make stuff taste like coconuts. I guess you could also use ghee.
So on the rare occasions that I deep fry what should I use?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:50 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Even "Whole Foods" And "Sprouts" type of supposedly healthy shite vastly overuse nut and seed oils.
People who eat a lot of fast and/or processed foods. shite is in all kinds of stuff and it doesn't take too much to make up a huge percentage of your calories.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:51 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:Presuming corn is included as a a seed.
It is specifically seed oils that are so bad for us.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:52 pm to efrad
quote:It's mind-blowing that canola oil still has the big "hear healthy!" red tag on it (and possibly also an endorsement from the AHA). It's fricking insane. And it DWARFS any considerations of covid.
Vegetable oils are proven to drive insulin resistance and signal to fat cells to store. The rise of vegetable oils/seed oils in the past <150 years has substantially driven obesity in this country. As much as America's fat people are lazy fricks without self control, there is still a substantial problem with what our mainstream food is made out of and a frickton of really bad information circulating out there.
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