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re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:59 pm to loopback
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:59 pm to loopback
quote:The CDC says this mRNA vaccine does not alter your DNA. That other article says that other mRNA technology might be able to be used to alter DNA sometime in the future. See how that's different?
So the CDC says it doesn't alter DNA. The article says that DNA alteration is unknown and some scientists believe it does.
See how that's DIFFERENT? Jesus man are you that obtuse?
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:05 pm to loopback
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This is coercion at a minimum and a violation of basic human rights.
Private entities cannot violate rights. Rights are limitations of government action.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:11 pm to loopback
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I said coercion into altering my body or lose my career, insurance, means of supporting my family, is unethical and immoral.
Honestly, that is going to fall on the R presidents that kept letting the Federalist Society sell them a bill of goods time after time. I watch the poli-board slobber over Kavanaugh and especially Barrett and I couldn't help but laugh. Two more fringe textualists were gonna wreck. Literally great for my pocket book to have a court so chopped up philosophically. It is like they saw the words textualist and originalist and thought they were getting another Thomas or Scalia. It is like they read nothing either one of them wrote that wasn't about abortion, 2A or 1A.
Right now after the Barrett order in the IU case it is pretty much open season for privates, fed and colleges.
The student's attorney at IU should have actually tried to find a school in the 3rd, 5th or 11th circuit to file and coattail them. Filing in the 7th was dumb as frick, never did look the guy up but he either didn't do much SCOTUS practice or was just looking for that for a SCOTUS case. Those are like the SUper Bowl for attorneys. A lot of attorneys will take a poor case and potentially make bad law with it just to present oral arguments to the court.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:11 pm to Strannix
But Dumble Joe said the vax keeps you from getting sick and then you can’t spread it?! You mean I can’t trust someone who’s mommy feeds him tapioca pudding?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:16 pm to Klark Kent
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wrong
It is a helluva lot more complicated than "wrong". It varies by the actual job environment and whether prayer can be fit into the company's policied break and lunch schedule.
The long and short of it is that it depends.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:30 pm to Gravitiger
quote:The worst part of this whole thing is that he will still tell everyone he knows that this is an experimental drug that alters your DNA.
The CDC says this mRNA vaccine does not alter your DNA. That other article says that other mRNA technology might be able to be used to alter DNA sometime in the future. See how that's different?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:42 pm to Gravitiger
quote:It depends on whether that would interfere with their duties. If it would, that would be unreasonable.
If you have, for example, a Muslim employee who needs to take a break for prayer times, yes, that is considered a reasonable accommodation under federal law and probably every state civil rights act.
They don't get "extra break time", but they can have their breaks scheduled to accommodate their religion.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 10:53 pm to Klark Kent
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wrong
Why don't you think about it and check back in.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 8:34 am to fightin tigers
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Mother fricker. They spelled it out in the study as to why it defeated the vaccine.
Yes, Yes they did moron. And how exactly did they fix it?
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The polio epidemic in the Congo was stopped with a massive vaccination program and hygiene measures. Even the current vaccines thus appear to be good enough to be effective when they are promptly and consistently administered.
They gave them another round of the same vaccine. And it stopped it completely. The didnt create a new formulation. Which is why they wrote in their conclusion that those kids were fixed with propmt and consistent shots. But since these kids originally didnt get that, the polio virus mutated once inside the body. WHICH IS WHAT VIRUSES DO, if allowed!!
But these mRNA vaccines, even using the same formulation 3X isnt stopping the infections.
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14 Israelis infected with COVID despite 3rd vaccine dose. Health Ministry statistics reveal 2 people hospitalized despite 3rd booster shot.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:10 am to Korkstand
quote:That is not what the law says.
It depends on whether that would interfere with their duties. If it would, that would be unreasonable.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:33 am to Strannix
Who cares if the vaccinated spread it? The point of the vaccine is to prevent hospitalization and death. The NG article you quote even said the vaccine is highly protective against severe outcomes. Many studies show this. A recent study in New York (looking at 10 million people) showed the vaccine is over 90% effective at keeping people out of the hospital -- even with the Delta variant.
The people at risk are the unvaccinated. Is it unfortunate that the vaccinated can spread it? Yep. Would this matter if everyone was vaccinated? Nope, not unless you have a compromised immune system.
Too many people don't understand vaccines. Most vaccines do not prevent a person from becoming infected or spreading. There are exceptions like the Measles vaccine and the HPV vaccine (especially HPV). Those vaccines offer "sterilizing immunity" but sterilizing immunity is actually rare in the vaccine world.
I will repeat: The point of vaccines are to prevent severe outcomes. The polio vaccine did not stop people from getting polio, but it did prevent severe disease in most instances (i.e. becoming cripple).
The people at risk are the unvaccinated. Is it unfortunate that the vaccinated can spread it? Yep. Would this matter if everyone was vaccinated? Nope, not unless you have a compromised immune system.
Too many people don't understand vaccines. Most vaccines do not prevent a person from becoming infected or spreading. There are exceptions like the Measles vaccine and the HPV vaccine (especially HPV). Those vaccines offer "sterilizing immunity" but sterilizing immunity is actually rare in the vaccine world.
I will repeat: The point of vaccines are to prevent severe outcomes. The polio vaccine did not stop people from getting polio, but it did prevent severe disease in most instances (i.e. becoming cripple).
Posted on 8/24/21 at 2:37 am to RobbBobb
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14 Israelis infected with COVID despite 3rd vaccine dose.
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It was not immediately clear whether the 14 contracted the virus before or after receiving the booster.
Some 420,000 Israelis have been administered a third booster shot so far
14 out of 420,000 wow! They also state they may have gotten covid before the booster.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 2:48 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:03 am to AUstar
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Who cares if the vaccinated spread it?
Say this to the ppl who shame the unvaxxed bc they can spread it
They also say that the unvaxxed spreading it leads to the variants but if the vaxxed are spreading it just as much….
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:06 am to Wishnitwas1998
Vaxxed arent spreading it just as much, vaccinated are getting it way less and spreading it way less. You cant spread what you dont have.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:13 am to CrimsonFever
Whether that’s true or not they are still spreading it
I have seen no evidence they are getting it way less at this point especially when so many don’t get tested for it bc they don’t have symptoms
ETA: I mean this in reference to the last month or two, the vaccines obviously handled things much better before the variant and the time passed since administering them weakened them
I have seen no evidence they are getting it way less at this point especially when so many don’t get tested for it bc they don’t have symptoms
ETA: I mean this in reference to the last month or two, the vaccines obviously handled things much better before the variant and the time passed since administering them weakened them
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 3:15 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:41 am to Antonio Moss
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Private entities cannot violate rights.
This may be the stupidest statement Ive ever read on TD, and that's a hard row to hoe
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:43 am to AUstar
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will repeat: The point of vaccines are to prevent severe outcomes.
So it only effects the person who made the decision not to get it, their body their choice right?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:31 am to Gravitiger
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The CDC says this mRNA vaccine does not alter your DNA. That other article says that other mRNA technology might be able to be used to alter DNA sometime in the future. See how that's different?
The head of the CDC also says men can get pregnant... so, pencil me in as not giving a rats arse about what the CDC says.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:39 am to Antonio Moss
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Private entities cannot violate rights. Rights are limitations of government action.
Well this is just dumb. How many individuals or private companies have been sued for violation of civil rights?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:55 am to TaderSalad
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The head of the CDC also says men can get pregnant... so, pencil me in as not giving a rats arse about what the CDC says.
This is what boggles my mind is how many intelligent people are still so willing to trust these obviously politicized and corrupt agencies after everything we’ve seen.
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