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re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:00 pm to LSUtoBOOT
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:00 pm to LSUtoBOOT
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And as a reminder, you did say that people that didn’t get the vaccine were bad, so stand your ground,
If I did, I apologize. I don't recall ever taking the stance that people who don't get the vaccine are bad.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:05 pm to idsrdum
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This is in both the Moderna and Pfizer FDA briefing document, not sure about the J&J. It seems like something they were worried about.
Has anyone seen further observational studies on this? Since we are in the period of waning immunity right now, perhaps they are still gathering data.
Actually, you really don't need a study to get a good ballpark. As long as the vast majority of the vaccinated are doing significantly better than the unvaxinated you don't have any ADE issue.
Further ADE is very rare and the vaccines have a very specific neutralizing antibody response. Because convalescent plasma has seen no ADE response that is an excellent sign not to expect it with the vaccine.
ADE is something everyone watches intently for in new vaccines it isn't something new or just associated with COVID.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:07 pm to fightin tigers
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If I did, I apologize.
You didn’t need to apologize, though I respect you for doing so. I wish you all the best.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:26 pm to therick711
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There isn't enough "DELTA" variant data to know if it is the vaccine or the variant. Think critically about what the media and government are feeding you.
Guarantee I got more and better data than you, baw.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:32 pm to Pendulum
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Traditional vaccines inject a deactivated version of the virus that still has the spike protein shape, and your body recognizes it's foreign and develops a immune response.
mRNA gets your own body to create an empty spike protein. It doesn't have instructions for the complete virus.so your body recognizes it as foreign and develops an immune response.
Ok, so what are the long term effects of tricking your immune system?
It was a mere year ago when we all all witnessed well trained, well researched doctors believing that putting patients on ventilators was the best treatment for Covid. Despite the best medical minds we have using this long standing science and long standing technology, they only concluded last year that they were wrong. Turns out the body decided to slack off and let the technology take over. It caused more deaths than necessary. The best doctors using the best evidence available got it wrong.
So please tell the vaccine hesitant why will this not happen to the immune systems of the vaccinated?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:36 pm to Obtuse1
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In the mRNA vaccines mRNA is introduced to the body that instructs you cells to produce the same protein chain that is in the spike protein of the virus. Your body then has an immune response that it will hopefully remember if it encounters the actual virus later. No vaccines are therapeutics none of them actually fight the germs themselves, in fact they are gone from your body very quickly particularly fast for the mRNA vaccines. So not they do nothing to fight the germs themselves. They teach the body to fight the germ-causing infections. This is vaccine 101 taught at VERY latest middle school.
Your body has an immune response that it will hopefully remember? Ok, what else will it remember? Will it remember that it was tricked to produce an immune response?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:43 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:I love that anti-vaxxers keep telling us their preferred descriptors
the vaccine hesitant
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:43 pm to PetroBabich
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Wear the mask
Given what's going on it's not a bad idea. Too many irresponsible fricks out there along Tate Reeves. You can nose can transmit covid through the nose. Some people can be asymptomatic and spread the virus.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:45 pm to tigger42day
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Fortunately antibodies will be quickly replenished if/when you’re reexposed to the pathogen due to the creation of “memory” B and T “white” blood cells. These probably last a lifetime but that’s TBD.
What else will these "memory" B and T cells remember? Will they remember that they responded to a different stimulus? What will be the long term effects of this bio-hack on our immune systems? Will our t cells and b cells behave differently in the future as a result of this injection?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:48 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:Why do you keep calling it a "trick"? If that's what you want to call it, then viruses themselves work by tricking cells into making copies of the virus.
Will it remember that it was tricked to produce an immune response?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:51 pm to Obtuse1
I'm not sure it is as simple as you make it sound.
LINK
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Given the broad spectrum of disease associated with SARS-CoV-2, clinical assessment of both systemic VAED and lung-specific VAERD will be challenging during the pre-licensure evaluation of candidate vaccines and after the implementation of widespread vaccination for COVID-19. The broad spectrum of natural disease manifestations in different populations and age groups makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to determine how severe COVID-19 infection would have been in the absence of vaccination in the individual case.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:53 pm to Strannix
Judging by all your downvotes...... you’re getting the sensitive vaccinated very very mad. They cannot even say........ “oh, that’s just GP”.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:53 pm to Obtuse1
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ADE is something everyone watches intently for in new vaccines it isn't something new or just associated with COVID.
How long do they have to keep watching for it during this period of uncertainty?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:56 pm to Korkstand
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I love that anti-vaxxers keep telling us their preferred descriptors
I first read the term on CDC's website and in other scientific research. If you prefer another term, blame science. Why do you hate science?
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:09 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:Understandable that a gov agency would use "inclusive" terms.
I first read the term on CDC's website and in other scientific research.
quote:This is language and social interaction, not science. Very lame attempt at labeling me anti-science.
If you prefer another term, blame science. Why do you hate science?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:16 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:no you don’t. I took it I am about as worried about it as artificial sweeteners
If you take the vaccines, there is a 100% chance that you then have to be concerned with long term effects of the vaccine.
Or
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:21 pm to Korkstand
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I love that anti-vaxxers keep telling us their preferred descriptors
don’t be purposely obtuse. there are a lot of people who are fully vaccinated in the typical sense, but have chosen not to get the COVID vaccine. i for example and more vaccinated than you due to international work travel, get on my level.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:24 pm to Willie Stroker
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Will it remember that it was tricked to produce an immune response?
Does it do that when we trick it with a dead virus?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:27 pm to tigerfoot
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no you don’t. I took it I am about as worried about it as artificial sweeteners
If you were remotely curious about cause and effect, a curious mind would wonder. But then again, people still smoke, despite the cancer risk. Good luck in life.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:29 pm to fightin tigers
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Does it do that when we trick it with a dead virus?
Using a totally different time tested method?
Is that really a relevant comparison?
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