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re: VA. School demands teen remove American flags from his truck.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:02 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:02 pm to fightin tigers
A uniform policy is fine. If the student chose to wear a flag pin or other patriotic items on the uniform, the school would have allow it unless the school could prove that the flag/patriotic items substantially disrupted the school operations. That’s exactly what Tinker held.
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Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:02 pm to momentoftruth87
no way
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:03 pm to chuckitdeep
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You don’t think large Pride, BLM, Confederate, Antifa flags flown in a pickup truck at a high school is not going to cause a distraction?
The rule was probably put in place specifically to avoid situations like the one I listed; not to prevent the American flag. Some of you are just being dense in this.
Cmon man, does this look like the place for logic?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Teachers are with my kids for 8 hours, 3/4 of the year, they come home do homework, then go to sports, then go to bed. It’s hilarious how teachers blame parents when they spend more time influencing them than parents.
Teachers never leave the classroom and they think they are popular powerful people. It’s one of the most worthless and easiest degrees on top of that. Public education is way over funded and they’re failing.
Teachers never leave the classroom and they think they are popular powerful people. It’s one of the most worthless and easiest degrees on top of that. Public education is way over funded and they’re failing.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:07 pm to chuckitdeep
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You don’t think large Pride, BLM, Confederate, Antifa flags flown in a pickup truck at a high school is not going to cause a distraction?
I would imagine this or other politically charged flags is what the rule is aimed at. But the good suffer for the bad.
Interesting sidenote, in the AP public schools dresscode there is no written exception in the rules for kids wearing beanies or skullcaps for religious reasons. Such as a kippa/yamakule.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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VA. School demands teen remove American flags from his truck.
Tinker vs Des Moines Supreme Court Case
Every principal should have learned about this case in school law.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:07 pm to fightin tigers
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These rules are usually carryover because sometime in the past some set of knuckleheads screwed it up for everyone.
Exactly. The policy on flag size is way too specific for it to be in place for any other reason than preventing a repeat of something that happened in the past.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:08 pm to Riverside
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uniform policy is fine. If the student chose to wear a flag pin or other patriotic items on the uniform, the school would have allow it unless the school could prove that the flag/patriotic items substantially disrupted the school operations. That’s exactly what Tinker held.
Well that is a different argument then giving a blanket "It's protected political speech"
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:10 pm to Lawyered
quote:The school have him a free American flag to fly
Flying your own countries flag is a distraction
So no, they don’t think the American flag is a distraction
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:10 pm to chuckitdeep
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You don’t think large Pride, BLM, Confederate, Antifa flags flown in a pickup truck at a high school is not going to cause a distraction?
Causing a distraction and spurring conversation are two different things.
Do you really think someone's flag, in a parking lot, out of sight of students is keeping them from learning?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:12 pm to Riverside
quote:Is that not exactly what this school is doing. They are allowing small American flags or American flag emblems to be on the car, but not large ones.
A uniform policy is fine. If the student chose to wear a flag pin or other patriotic items on the uniform, the school would have allow it unless the school could prove that the flag/patriotic items substantially disrupted the school operations.
That sounds exactly like saying you have to wear our uniform, but can have a smaller item like pin or armband
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
It sounds like his point was to get attention for it.
And the actions since make it seem like he likes the attention.
And the actions since make it seem like he likes the attention.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:15 pm to fightin tigers
If the school was telling him he could not display the American flag I could see them being in constitutional trouble. But the fact is they are allowing him to display the flag
So he would have to argue his constitutional right is to display a specific sized American flag. I don’t think that would hold an ounce of weight in court. They are still 100% allowing him to have his freedom of speech
So he would have to argue his constitutional right is to display a specific sized American flag. I don’t think that would hold an ounce of weight in court. They are still 100% allowing him to have his freedom of speech
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:15 pm to lsupride87
It’s not even that. There is no law being broken. Policy isn’t law and you can’t trespass someone or demand something in a public parking lot when no laws have been broken. Even if he’s driving, the school can’t do shite. They CAN call the cops but the vehicle is parked. Even if kid was in the truck and cops came up, he can ignore them since he’s not breaking laws.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:17 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:the parking lot is an extension of school. They absolutely can demand you wear a school uniform, and if you come in jeans and a t shirt they can demand you change or suspend you. And wearing jeans and a t shirt isn’t against the law
It’s not even that. There is no law being broken. Policy isn’t law and you can’t trespass someone or demand something in a public parking lot when no laws have been broken.
They didn’t arrest him….
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:That isn’t the schools argument
Do you really think someone's flag, in a parking lot, out of sight of students is keeping them from learning?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:20 pm to Darth_Vader
Keep fighting the good fight, son.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:20 pm to lsupride87
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Do you really think someone's flag, in a parking lot, out of sight of students is keeping them from learning?
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That isn’t the schools argument
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Large flags or banners are not allowed to be flown or displayed on vehicles due to their distractive nature
It appears that it is their argument.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:21 pm to Darth_Vader
In Bedford? Wtf? That is baw territory. It’s where the Bedford Boys are from and the home of the national D-Day memorial (which is fricking awesome if you ever are in the area).
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:22 pm to bad93ex
quote:Nope
It appears that it is their argument.
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reads in part, "The contract, which has been in place in all three of the high schools for over a decade, prohibits student drivers from flying large flags or banners on their vehicles, due to their potential to distract or obstruct the view of student drivers as they are navigating the school parking lot
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