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re: Utah to drop blood alcohol limit to .05
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:18 am to Mr Perfect
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:18 am to Mr Perfect
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In 20 years no one will be driving anyways.
It will be considered lower class
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Mr Perfect
Starts first "Is Driving Trashy?" thread on TD.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:28 am to northshorebamaman
It was from the strip to our Airbnb that was about two miles away. My point is that they take advantage of drunk people and charge them one hundred plus dollars for a simple ride. frick Uber. I’ll never put myself in that position where I have to use it. It’s a rip off
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:31 am to Mr Perfect
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No reason to take even one drink and drive a vehicle in an era of uber
What a moron. If i’m Going to a party or something where I know i’m Gonna be drinking heavily, sure i’ll Uber.
But if I’m gonna have a couple drinks with dinner or a beer or 2 on the way home from work, you can frick right off.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:44 am to Mr Perfect
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I cross an imaginary line into another state
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:16 am to bigberg2000
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What about the fact that alcohol probably had little to do with these deaths? People get in wrecks all the time. Most of those happening with under the legal limit would have happened anyway.
Exactly, what they never release in these studies to demonize drunk driving is there are several other factors.
The majority of people involved in alchohol related accidents are also speeding, tired, and distracted.
Also what they don't tell you is that it doesn't matter if the impared driver is at fault. For example, a guy with a .09 bac can be obeying all other traffic laws, drive through a green light, and a kid texting runs the red light and t bones the guy. If the cop detects alcohol, the impared driver can be found to be at fault even though the other person ran a red light.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:31 am to dltigers3
Alcohol also leads to poor judgement so of course speed and other factors go along with it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:31 am to Mr Perfect
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No reason to take even one drink and drive a vehicle in an era of uber
You do realize that not everywhere has Uber, lyft, etc. correct?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Then get a DD, dumbass
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:36 am to Mr Perfect
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Lol making excuses. No one thinks texting while driving is a good idea either. It's illegal in several states
And, where it is illegal the legal consequence is a traffic ticket and nominal fine - not a $10k life altering misdemeanor.
If they wanted to make the lower threshold the legal equivalent of a traffic ticket I'd be more in support of it, but they won't because that gets in the way of the cash grab.
I'm almost convinced that the reason they don't criminalize extreme DWI that much more heavily than low-level DWI is they want only want to offer token discouragement to the low life running over people with a 0.23% that generates the support for the lower-level cash grab DWI's in what is now looking like the 0.05% range.
I have yet to see the blood-eyed slumped over mug shot and stumbling police video of someone who killed an innocent victim with the headline "Local man kills mother of 4 in drunk driving accident, blew a 0.06% on the breathalyzer"
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:39 am to dltigers3
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Also what they don't tell you is that it doesn't matter if the impared driver is at fault. For example, a guy with a .09 bac can be obeying all other traffic laws, drive through a green light, and a kid texting runs the red light and t bones the guy. If the cop detects alcohol, the impared driver can be found to be at fault even though the other person ran a red light.
Yeah...... That isn't how that works at all
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:44 am to VABuckeye
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Alcohol also leads to poor judgement so of course speed and other factors go along with it.
Correct, but that's not how it's presented to us. It is presented as this person was drunk so they drove too fast and hit someone. But maybe that person drive fast all the time, and maybe they text all the time, and it's also possible that them looking down at their phone caused them to not see the minivan full of kids that they plowed into, and even though they had 3 beers at dinner, the alcohol really wasn't a contributing factor at all.
I don't want to come off as supporting drunk driving, because I don't do it. But I also don't agree with the fact that a DUI will ruin your life, even if there are no damages.
What we need is a comprehensive study that will show how many accidents were directly caused by the person being impared, and not just a contributing factor.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:46 am to UGATiger26
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Your posts - coupled with your handle - lead be to believe this is a troll job.
Or he’s been busted for DWI and has come back with a “holier than thou” attitude.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:51 am to dltigers3
Local news article about an experiment that was conducted with the .05 standard.
LINK
Those bolded parts should have people upset. In other words, these people - by the police's own admission - were perfectly OK to drive but still subject to arrest for being above the new .05 limit.
Here's the kicker....
Oh, that's a relief
So what qualifies as "impairment?" Rolling through a stop sign? Speeding? Following too closely?
This new limit basically gives police cover to test and breathalyze anyone they pull over after 5pm on a Friday or Saturday.
Well, I'm assuming a moving violation coupled with a .052 BAC would qualify in their mind as "impaired."
LINK
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Starting with a 0.00 baseline and a field sobriety test, five people of varying body types were given different drinks and food items and tested at different points of the evening. Once they hit .05, they were also administered a field sobriety test.
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After a second high point beer, Stapleford reported feeling a little tipsy. When Unified Police officers tested her, she blew a .053—just barely over the new legal limit. But on her field sobriety test, Unified Police Detective Kyle Liddiard said she passed.
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On repeated breathalyzer tests, Stephenson flirted with .05 all night long. Opponents of the new DUI law have concerns that a mild social drinker could have only a couple of glasses of wine with dinner and wind up in jail. For Stephenson, who is a petite woman, it appeared that is the case. But she also passed her field sobriety test.
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After his fourth gin and tonic, with metered shots over the course of three hours, Gehrke hit .05. However, he showed no significant signs of impairment on the field sobriety test administered by Unified Police.
Those bolded parts should have people upset. In other words, these people - by the police's own admission - were perfectly OK to drive but still subject to arrest for being above the new .05 limit.
Here's the kicker....
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Police emphasize that what you drink and what you blow on a breathalyzer do not matter, because all you have to show are signs of impairment for you to be pulled over.
Oh, that's a relief
So what qualifies as "impairment?" Rolling through a stop sign? Speeding? Following too closely?
This new limit basically gives police cover to test and breathalyze anyone they pull over after 5pm on a Friday or Saturday.
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Officer Archibeque said. "If we can show they're impaired, we need to get those impaired drivers off the road."
Well, I'm assuming a moving violation coupled with a .052 BAC would qualify in their mind as "impaired."
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:59 am to Torrence Hatch
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Here come all the supporters who don't like civil liberties
Your liberties stop when they put me or my family in danger because you wanted to drink and drive.
But I agree .05 is too low. .08 is fine imo
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:05 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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No reason to take even one drink and drive a vehicle in an era of uber
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You do realize that not everywhere has Uber, lyft, etc. correct?
Then you can utilize the same option I do don't drink and drive, how simple is that?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:49 am to Jim Rockford
I have my own vehicle for a reason. I’m not jumping in an Uber and paying a stranger $30 to drive me places. That’s so strange.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:51 pm to tigersownall
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You realize not every town has uber right? Or a consistent taxi service for that matter. And yeah I am talking about Lafourche/terrebone
Have a designated driver or don’t drink all. Ain’t rocket science
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:54 pm to Jim Rockford
No biggie... I'm usually WAAAAAY above 0.08 when I drink and drive anyway.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:53 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You do realize that not everywhere has Uber, lyft, etc. correct?
You do realize no one makes them drink at a bar, right?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:54 pm to Jim Rockford
Uber and lyft behind this crap?
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 3:54 pm
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