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re: USA will have Socialized Medicine in 20 Years - It's Inevitable
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It requires overspending to make it function, exactly like the medical field would be if the Feds take it over.
No it doesn't. Their model requires overspending to make it function. The problem is the model which is mostly designed around political payoffs and corruption.
quote:That's 100% correct.
The people who give this country its worst health outcomes are the ones who have or are eligible for "Free" or heavily subsidized healthcare.
Its those on gubment care who are in the worst of health.
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:35 pm to dawgfan24348
Bernie would increase taxes on the poor and middle class. and you lied.
The fact that you believe a career politician who has never held a real job in his life and is an idiot, speaks volumes.
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Sanders: “Is healthcare free? No, it is not. So what we do is exempt the first $29,000 of a person’s income. You make less $29,000, you pay nothing in taxes. Above that, in a progressive way, with the wealthiest people paying the largest percentage, people do pay more in taxes.”
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Bernie Sanders is once again calling for extreme tax hikes to pay for his plans, this time for a government-run single payer health care system. The plan will come in at a cost of $1.38 trillion per year and will impose across the board tax hikes, including:
what a fricking lie.
-An income tax rate of 52%
-Taxing ALL capital gains as ordinary income, meaning the current top capital gains rate of 23.8% would jump to 52%
-Massive hike in the Death Tax
-American families making as little as $28,900 per year will face a 2.2 percent tax on their income
-A $630 billion tax hike aimed at employers, which will just end up hitting workers
-Sanders also calls for more tax complexity and more tax brackets: 37%, 43%, 48% and of course the 52%
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The report, from the libertarian Mercatus Center, found that Sanders' plan to extend Medicare to all Americans would increase federal healthcare costs by $32.6 trillion from 2022 to 2031 if implemented as written.
The fact that you believe a career politician who has never held a real job in his life and is an idiot, speaks volumes.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:36 pm to dawgfan24348
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but why pay more money for a middle man where they’ll only pay for part of the costs anyway?
I don't know how many times you need to be told.
Better
Service.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:37 pm to upgrayedd
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The government taking full control over anything automatically increases costs and/or decreases quality of service. That's not even some sort of controversial statement. It's an absolute fact just like the sun rising in the east
Yep, anyone actually believing Bernies plan would save money is a fricking moron of the highest order.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 5:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't know how many times you need to be told. Better Service.
Better service from who? The insurance company that denies all your claims? LOL. Bro…seriously?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 5:55 pm to deeprig9
That’s not a good thing
Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Literally a baseless claim
Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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report, from the libertarian Mercatus Center,
Libertarian think tank doesn’t like socialized medicine? Shocking
Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:58 pm to greygoose
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Agreed. I'm on a group health plan with the largest health insurer in my State. My monthly premium is now over $1700. Me, my wife, and my almost 17 y/o kid. None of us have any chronic issues. I see my doc every 6 months, my wife sees hers every 4. Just routine check ups and labs.
Your health used to be underwritten. So if you were healthy you'd pay less. Obamacare did away with all of that.
Also I've paid home insurance for 25 years without a single claim. When disaster strikes, I'll be glad I did.
A bout of cancer or sever heart issue will set you back hundreds of thousands. Then you'll be glad you had it.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:06 pm to dawgfan24348
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So what I’m hearing is you don’t have any actual reason to believe that we can’t make UHC work other than well this is what you think.
Let's talk about the programs the federal government runs well, before we talk about them taking over another 20% of the economy.
The best example we have is the VA.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And this is sill only about 1/3 of what we now pay. I'd love to hear how Bernie proposes to cut costs by 2/3, instantly, and across the board. And no, margins in healthcare are no where near 66%
cost of $1.38 trillion per year
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:29 pm to deeprig9
I’m looking forward to paying more for less quality
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:38 pm to Antonio Moss
Just look at what the government has done with education. I'm sure they'll get it right for medical care, tho. Next time will be different.
I cannot imagine hitching my healthcare to a government with $30 trillion in debt. Bernie bros like to say healthcare makes compromises for profit. As if government doesn't have a motive to not treat you.
I cannot imagine hitching my healthcare to a government with $30 trillion in debt. Bernie bros like to say healthcare makes compromises for profit. As if government doesn't have a motive to not treat you.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:44 pm to Taxing Authority
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And this is sill only about 1/3 of what we now pay. I'd love to hear how Bernie proposes to cut costs by 2/3, instantly, and across the board. And no, margins in healthcare are no where near 66%
It doesn't have to work, it just has to fool enough people into voting for it. That seems to be the progressive pattern.
I think the actual cost when put under a microscope came out to over 30 trillion over 10 years.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:47 pm to Grievous Angel
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Let's talk about the programs the federal government runs well
This will be brief and quiet.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:56 pm to Antonio Moss
We’re 15 pages in, and nobody has mentioned the costs associated with US R&D subsidizing the world? All leading edge drugs and equipment are developed here and then they’re offered at a substantial discount to the rest of the world. The US also pays healthcare providers a premium. The argument is nobody wants a second rate doctor. The reality is 99% DGAF…unless they have that 1 in a million ailment they need diagnosed.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:05 pm to dawgfan24348
For those who want single payer in the US, taxes on the poor and middle class will have to go up dramatically. That is the only way.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:14 pm to deeprig9
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Medicare for All.
I'm over 65. And I'm on medicare. My deductible is about 200 bucks a year. I pay under $300 a month for Part B and medicare. Maybe another 40 bucks for Part D. It's way cheaper than my old company insurance. My wife who is under 65 is on my old plan. She has to hit an ungodly deductible of thousands before it's no out of pocket expense. Medicare is pretty painless. But the government knows everything about my health situation. But they don't bug me about it other than to prevent renewal of any long term prescription before it's time.
Once they move all of us to socialized medicine I'm sure it will get a lot more expensive.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:31 pm to AMS
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AI docs inevitable?
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