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re: US Govt steals $58,100 from Ohio man without charges or arrest
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:56 pm to theenemy
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:56 pm to theenemy
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At the minimum he was in violation of bulk currency smuggling
Most people have never carried large sums of cash on them. If the cash is legit you make sure you dot every i and cross every T to make sure that cash can't be taken from you.
58k in undeclared cash in an airport? Not buying it.
If he is claiming ignorance of the law then why did he have receipts for the cash but not declare it?
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
Why in the blue frick hasn't civil asset forfeiture been challenged in the supreme court? It would go down in burning flames.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:44 pm to PrivatePublic
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Why in the blue frick hasn't civil asset forfeiture been challenged in the supreme court? It would go down in burning flames.
It has been, and lost. Primarily because your property has much fewer rights than you do. When your property gets accused of a crime there is no grand jury, no arraignment, no probable cause to detain, no right to counsel, and definitelu no burden of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:44 pm to nosaj
Since when does TSA handle customs issues on domestic flights? Who would have this guy have declared anything to if he was flying out of BTR? Something is being left out but he didn’t have to declare anything to he was actually leaving the country.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:53 pm to Dizz
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Since when does TSA handle customs issues on domestic flights?
It wasn't a domestic flight.
It was an international flight which starts at your point of the journey regardless of the amount of stops before you leave the country.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
Some reading comprehension issues in this thread..
Except he didn’t break the law, and no charges were filed.
:sigh: Because he’s not claiming ignorance of the law, as evidenced by his attorney’s statement that he was “well aware” of it. He’s claiming that he didn’t break the law, which seems likely since he wasn’t charged.
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Hmm, this uses CBP and TSA interchangeably. That is odd and confusing for this article
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According to a translated declaration that Kazazi provided to the court as part of the lawsuit, TSA employees discovered the cash in his bag during a routine security check and alerted Customs and Border Protection.
quote:Except that you don’t submit the form to TSA, you submit it to CBP. Since you don’t typically go through a customs checkpoint when leaving the US, you have to seek out the customs office at the airport. It seems perfectly reasonable for a passenger to expect that he needs to do this on his layover:
That doesn't make sense, he wouldn't have to go through TSA screening in Newark. His international journey started in Cleveland, I don't care if he had to make 6 stops before he left the country.
quote:He expected to fulfill this requirement on the international leg of his flight out of Newark, but had his money seized prior to the domestic leg out of Cleveland.
The form instructs travelers to file the paperwork "at the time of departure from the United States with the Customs officer in charge at any Customs port of entry or departure."
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How dumb do you have to be to quote the law that he broke and then claim he didn’t do anything illegal?
Except he didn’t break the law, and no charges were filed.
quote:This is a joke right?
I think he was laundering money.
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He carried the cash in three counted and labeled bundles in his carry-on bag, he said, along with receipts from recent bank withdrawals and documentation pertaining to his family's property in Tirana, the Albanian capital.
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If he is claiming ignorance of the law then why did he have receipts for the cash but not declare it?
:sigh: Because he’s not claiming ignorance of the law, as evidenced by his attorney’s statement that he was “well aware” of it. He’s claiming that he didn’t break the law, which seems likely since he wasn’t charged.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:02 pm to lostinbr
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He expected to fulfill this requirement on the international leg of his flight out of Newark, but had his money seized prior to the domestic leg out of Cleveland.
No
He started his international journey in Cleveland. He went through security in Cleveland where he would need to have documentation for the cash.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:05 pm to MrLarson
Doesn't matter if the flight is an international trip. He doesn't have to declare the money until he leaves the country. If there is a domestic flight prior to the international leg, it doesn't mean you left the country because you were eventually going to end up abroad. 
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:07 pm to MrLarson
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He started his international journey in Cleveland. He went through security in Cleveland where he would need to have documentation for the cash.
Dude how stupid are you? I'm sure you've never left Livingston Parish and probably never been on an airplane, but Newark New Jersey is in the US, and customs and TSA aren't the same thing.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:17 pm to mikelbr
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I think he was laundering money.
I don’t care. A man makes his money he’s entitled to his money. CAF is bullshite
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Albania is Tiranacal
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:18 pm to MrLarson
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No
He started his international journey in Cleveland. He went through security in Cleveland where he would need to have documentation for the cash.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:28 pm to Darth_Vader
No
If he had a separate flight from Cleveland to Newark, sure.
But if he bought a ticket that started in Cleveland and ended in Albania then his international flight started in Cleveland.
Did he have to pick up his checked baggage in Newark and redo security? 99.99% doubt it.
If he had a separate flight from Cleveland to Newark, sure.
But if he bought a ticket that started in Cleveland and ended in Albania then his international flight started in Cleveland.
Did he have to pick up his checked baggage in Newark and redo security? 99.99% doubt it.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 11:57 pm to MrLarson
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Did he have to pick up his checked baggage in Newark and redo security? 99.99% doubt it.
This doesn’t matter. You don’t submit the form to TSA. You submit it to a Customs Officer. You don’t go through Customs on outbound international flights, meaning you have to find the CBP office at the airport. Depending on the airport, this can sometimes be INSIDE the terminal meaning you wouldn’t do it until AFTER you go through security.
And all of that without pointing out the fact that you aren’t breaking the law until you actually leave the country. Last time I checked, the terminals in Cleveland (and Newark, for that matter) are still in the US.
Let’s recap:
a) You don’t go through a Customs checkpoint on outbound international flights
b) He should have been able to submit the form to CBP in Newark, regardless of whether he went back through TSA screening
c) Even if he did have to submit the form in Cleveland, there’s no reason he would have had to do it prior to TSA screening
ETA:
d) CBP likely knows all of this, which is why he wasn’t charged with a crime. They also know that the CAF rules are so fricking twisted that they don’t have to give his money back regardless, which is pathetic.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 12:00 am
Posted on 6/1/18 at 2:47 am to biglego
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He should just obey the law next time.
Play stupid games...
quote:Reading comprehension is key when you read something...
biglego
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:47 am to MrLarson
it's theft any way you look at it.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:00 am to NYNolaguy1
It’s disgusting how many of y’all don’t back the badge around here
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:21 am to mikelbr
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I think he was laundering money.
Uh what? That's not how you launder money dude.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:46 am to NYNolaguy1
I fricking hate TSA
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:14 am to lostinbr
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Let’s recap:
a) You don’t go through a Customs checkpoint on outbound international flights
b) He should have been able to submit the form to CBP in Newark, regardless of whether he went back through TSA screening
c) Even if he did have to submit the form in Cleveland, there’s no reason he would have had to do it prior to TSA screening
ETA:
d) CBP likely knows all of this, which is why he wasn’t charged with a crime. They also know that the CAF rules are so fricking twisted that they don’t have to give his money back regardless, which is pathetic.
Exactly how I read the situation
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