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Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:12 pm to fightin tigers
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I think Palij was Polish
He was a Nazi collaborator. The worst of the worst as far as I'm concerned. He betrayed his fellow citizens for money.
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I think parsing definitions is pointless in this case.
Only if you're attempting to be intellectually dishonest. There is a clear and distinct difference between a man like Palij and a man like Berger.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:14 pm to RollTide1987
It's their actions though, not their ideology that had them removed.
From what we know their actions are the same.
From what we know their actions are the same.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:18 pm to Vinny V
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IMO it doesn’t matter how old he is. He willingly took part in that and deserves to pay the price for it.
He most likely didn't willingly participate although I'm sure we'd have all disobeyed our Nazi commanders at 18 years old. Easy to say from a keyboard 80 years later although 99.9% of us would have done what we were instructed to.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:19 pm to fightin tigers
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From what we know their actions are the same.
Incorrect. While there was no evidence he ever killed anyone, Pelij was actively involved in persecuting prisoners at the concentration camps and was fully aware of what was going on there. Pelij admitted as much but claimed he was doing it because his family would die if he didn't.
There is no evidence Berger did any of those things and he denies any knowledge of what was happening at the camps and even claims he was never even given a weapon. Investigators haven't been able to refute any of his claims.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:23 pm to RollTide1987
Berger admits to being on the march, he also has changed his story on the weapon.
That qualifies him for being deported.
Had he immigrated in when Pelij did he wouldn't have been allowed in. Or he would have had to lie to come in.
That qualifies him for being deported.
Had he immigrated in when Pelij did he wouldn't have been allowed in. Or he would have had to lie to come in.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:25 pm to fightin tigers
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Berger admits to being on the march
Okay. So what?
There were well over 1,000 people on that march and "only" 50 of them died. He claims he had no idea what was going on. It's possible that he's telling the truth given the number of people on the march vs. the number of people who died.
You're not going to be able to convince me to change my mind on this.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:35 pm to RollTide1987
Do you care that much about it or are you just shooting the shite 
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:35 pm to RollTide1987
The proponents for deportation have no viable evidence he ever killed anyone, just his affiliation with the Nazi party.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:36 pm to Breauxsif
The limit is far under killing, just assisting in the act is enough.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:38 pm to John88
Deport him—age doesn’t matter.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:39 pm to castorinho
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Do you care that much about it or are you just shooting the shite
A little bit of both to be perfectly honest. I just think it stupid that a man who was barely involved in guarding a camp, at the age of 19 I might add, is being deported for it some 76 years after the fact. He's lived in the United States this entire time, his family is here, his friends are here, his wife is buried here. It seems absolutely pointless to send this guy back to Germany when his entire life is here.
But whatever. At the end of the day it doesn't affect me. I'll sleep soundly either way. However, people equating this guy to a fanatical Nazi in this thread are greatly exaggerating this man's role in the Holocaust.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:40 pm to RollTide1987
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He was present on the march but that doesn't mean he actively participated in what happened on said march?
He made sure people on the march stayed on the march.
The fact that this guy lived a happy life in american doesn’t excuse what he did.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
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When I hear the word "Nazi" I think of someone who actually believes Nazi ideology to their core. Someone like Himmler or Heydrich or Goebbels.
Actually, Heydrich didn’t believe in the Nazi principles to his core. It actually makes him even worse than Himmler or Goebbels. Goebbels you can somewhat denounce as a fricking lunatic, but I think Heydrich was fully sane, knew his actions were evil and reprehensible, but did it for power and the fact that he loved his job. Heydrich is just pure concentrated evil in human form. Maybe aside from Albert Fish, Ted Bundy, and John Wayne Gacy (and anyone else cut from similar cloth), I’d say Heydrich was the most evil person of the 20th century.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
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He made sure people on the march stayed on the march.
Okay. And...? If he claims he had no idea what was going on, and we take his claim at face value, then how is this any different than other forced marches that happened with prisoners (on both sides of the conflict) in his eyes?
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The fact that this guy lived a happy life in american doesn’t excuse what he did.
My grandfather was a personal witness to U.S. Marines killing Japanese POWs in cold blood on Okinawa. They were never tried and nothing was ever said. They lived out their days in the United States having committed a far worse crime than this guy ever did.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:54 pm to SammyTiger
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He made sure people on the march stayed on the march.
As opposed to?
We’re talking about a retreat as the allies are closing in. Supply lines are cut.
What’s he supposed to do, take them all to Disneyland?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 3:07 pm to RollTide1987
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If he claims he had no idea what was going on, and we take his claim at face value
I mean He was guarding people on a march where they were dropping dead.
How did he not know what was going on?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 3:09 pm to SammyTiger
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How did he not know what was going on?
The Holocaust?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 3:09 pm to SammyTiger
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I mean He was guarding people on a march where they were dropping dead.
He was guarding a column of prisoners that numbered well over a thousand. Of that number, 50 of them dropped dead. Depending on where he was in the column, it's likely he never saw a single dead body.
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