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re: U.S. deports 95-year-old who was a Nazi concentration camp guard
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:43 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:43 am to SCLibertarian
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If you were to look at the body county directly attributable to our military invasions and covert CIA operations since the end of WW2, it would be in the millions.
Why do you hate your country? This is blatant bullshite you think people will just pass over and take as fact.
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Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:45 am to fallguy_1978
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But I do also wonder how many of us would have defied our orders in the same situation at 18-19 years old. I'd bet very few of us would have.
That is very true. That doesn't mean that other countries should be forced a blind eye to it.
I think Canada has been known to deny entry for driving offenses and even just being arrested for a felony.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Punishing a foot soldier over something done out of his control 80 years ago is legit retarded.
Men were drafted into war, men would be imprisoned or killed for refusing their duty.
Agreed. At 95 years old too.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:46 am to fallguy_1978
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But I do also wonder how many of us would have defied our orders in the same situation at 18-19 years old. I'd bet very few of us would have.
None of us would have. But that's no excuse when it comes to the indiscriminate murder of men, women, and children - which I would be vilifying this man for if there was any evidence of it. The German government investigated this man last year and could find no evidence of him actively participating in the crimes that went on in the camps. As far as they found out, he was a guard at one of the sub-camps and knew almost nothing about what was going on inside.
The worst thing they could find on him was that he never requested a transfer out of the camp and that he was guarding the prisoners on a forced march that ended up killing 50 of them. There is no evidence of him tormenting or killing any of the prisoners while on the march.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:47 am to SammyTiger
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But there is a difference between collateral damages and say lining up people by a ditch.
Is there any evidence that suggest this guy was lining people up in ditches?
That’s the whole point of this.
What’s the point of arresting and deporting a 95 year old man, who has lived the last 60 years bothering no one.
Who even fricking GERMANY isn’t going to prosecute...
You think that’s a smart use of resources?
I’d think going after old Chinamen who took place in Mao’s purges would be dumb too.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:48 am to SCLibertarian
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If you were to look at the body county directly attributable to our military invasions and covert CIA operations since the end of WW2, it would be in the millions.
CIA is the most corrupt government organization in the history of the USA. It's also a murdering machine.
Millions of ignorant Americans worship the CIA and FBI.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:48 am to RollTide1987
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The worst thing they could find on him was that he never requested a transfer out of the camp and that he was guarding the prisoners on a forced march that ended up killing 50 of them. There is no evidence of him tormenting or killing any of the prisoners while on the march.
Which soldiers were forcing the prisoners to
march if the the guards were just what? Guarding them?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:50 am to SammyTiger
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Which soldiers were forcing the prisoners to
march if the the guards were just what? Guarding them?
Most likely the SS troopers, which this guy was not one of those. The man in question was a member of the Kriegsmarine (the German Navy).
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:51 am to fallguy_1978
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I'm not a Nazi sympathizer by any means. frick them. But I do also wonder how many of us would have defied our orders in the same situation at 18-19 years old. I'd bet very few of us would have.
Now, put yourself in a country with a regime that made indoctrination of youth a primary goal, and realize that youth organizations were a big thing in Germany long before Hitler and the Nazis came to power. The Hitler Youth program started at around the age of 10 for boys. To go against the party and your country would be going against every ounce of raising and training you had throughout you entire, short life.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:51 am to mmmmmbeeer
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This is blatant bull shite you think people will just pass over and take as fact.
You are a liar and a fool. The United States has been at war almost permanently since the end of WW2. We have invaded country after country to remake the world in our image. Furthermore, our CIA is simply a tool of regime change, coups and assassinations. Do some research instead of swallowing the propaganda from the war cabal at Fox, MSNBC and CNN.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:53 am to fr33manator
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Is there any evidence that suggest this guy was lining people up in ditches?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:54 am to RollTide1987
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Most likely the SS troopers, which this guy was not one of those.
Come on, man. That doesn’t even make sense.
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The man in question was a member of the Kriegsmarine (the German Navy).
Yet there he was working at a concentration camp.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:56 am to fr33manator
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Is there any evidence that suggest this guy was lining people up in ditches?
Just making an illustrative point. I didnt Say he did. Just point out the differenc between people dropping bombs in war and people running concentration camps to work to death their own civilians.
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What’s the point of arresting and deporting a 95 year old man, who has lived the last 60 years bothering no one.
To punish him for the time he spend fricking attributing to a genocide.
Again, what’s the statute of limitation for serial
Killers? Should we let the a golden State Killer go?
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Who even fricking GERMANY isn’t going to prosecute.
frick Germany.
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You think that’s a smart use of resources?
Yes. fricking spare me you’re penny pinching bullshite.
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I’d think going after old Chinamen who took place in Mao’s purges would be dumb too.
I think defending Nazis is dumb. But it still happens.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:59 am to SammyTiger
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Come on, man. That doesn’t even make sense.
It doesn't make sense that an SS detachment would be doing the heavy lifting on a forced march of political prisoners? That was kinda their job all throughout the war and one of the principle reasons for their existence.
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Yet there he was working at a concentration camp.
So what? He was ordered there by his commanding officer in the final months of the war, was there for only a few months, and committed no war crimes as far as investigators have been able to find out.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:59 am to RollTide1987
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Most likely the SS troopers, which this guy was not one of those.
Would you be fine with an SS Trooper being allowed to live in the US if no one could prove anything other than he was just an SS Trooper assigned to a camp?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:02 pm to fightin tigers
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Would you be fine with an SS Trooper being allowed to live in the US if no one could prove anything other than he was just an SS Trooper assigned to a camp?
Absolutely.
It's been 80 fricking years.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:02 pm to fightin tigers
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Would you be fine with an SS Trooper being allowed to live in the US if no one could prove anything other than he was just an SS Trooper assigned to a camp?
Uh...yeah. Because that's the way our justice system works. You are innocent until proven guilty. Just being in a uniform doesn't make you guilty. Not everyone in the SS was an ideologue.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:05 pm to RollTide1987
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You are innocent until proven guilty.
He admitted to working the camp though (and in this case being a guard on the march).
Is that not admitting guilt?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:05 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Now, put yourself in a country with a regime that made indoctrination of youth a primary goal, and realize that youth organizations were a big thing in Germany long before Hitler and the Nazis came to power. The Hitler Youth program started at around the age of 10 for boys. To go against the party and your country would be going against every ounce of raising and training you had throughout you entire, short life.
Lots of people judging in here based solely on the fact that they popped out of a vagina in a different time and place is all I'm saying. Otherwise they'd have probably been right there with him following orders.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:10 pm to fightin tigers
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Is that not admitting guilt?
Guarding prisoners isn't a war crime in and of itself. If it were Germany would be charging him with crimes against humanity. They declined to do so.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:11 pm
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