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re: U.S. deports 95-year-old who was a Nazi concentration camp guard
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:11 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:11 pm to RollTide1987
He isn't being deported for a war crime.
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Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:13 pm to fightin tigers
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He isn't being deported for a war crime.
Okay.
That doesn't make what is happening to him any less stupid.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:18 pm to RollTide1987
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That doesn't make what is happening to him any less stupid.
It's 2021 and life is all about feelings now. We got one more Nazi near death. Never mind the fact that he was a nobody 19 year old following orders. He and his oxygen tank can go back to Germany.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:22 pm to fallguy_1978
Not going to lie, rabid defense of a concentration camp guard who took people on a death march is one of the more unusual things I have seen on this board.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:27 pm to fightin tigers
I just think it's stupid. There doesn't sound like there's any proof this guy committed any sort of atrocities other than serving as a foot soldier at a camp.
I have no sympathy for the Nazis.
I have no sympathy for the Nazis.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:28 pm to fightin tigers
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rabid defense of a concentration camp guard who took people on a death march is one of the more unusual things I have seen on this board
He was present on the march but that doesn't mean he actively participated in what happened on said march? He could have been sneaking water to prisoners for all we know.
This guy was 19 years old at the time, was a member of the German Navy, who was ordered to help guard this camp by his commanding officer in the war's final months. Based on evidence we have in the present day, this guy did not mistreat or kill a single prisoner. He was simply present at the camp and on the march. The evidence of war crimes in his particular case is such that the German government declined to prosecute him.
He has been living in North America since 1956 and in the United States itself since 1959. He has a family here. And he's being deported from the U.S. at the age of 95, some 76 years after the events he was present for, based on a law that wasn't passed through Congress until 20 years after he arrived in the United States.
If he was actual confirmed war criminal who actively took part in Nazi war crimes I would 100% feel differently.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:29 pm to RollTide1987
He was deported. Not put to death. Not sure why people here are feeling so strongly about this shite. Who cares
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:32 pm to fallguy_1978
That is who the law was intended to go after.
I don't think it is such a bad practice to go deny entry or revoke visas based on things such as assisting in genocide.
We aren't hanging these people or even imprisoning them, just sending them back (to a country where he still collects a pension for being a death march guard). The statute of limitations shouldn't apply here either.
I don't think it is such a bad practice to go deny entry or revoke visas based on things such as assisting in genocide.
We aren't hanging these people or even imprisoning them, just sending them back (to a country where he still collects a pension for being a death march guard). The statute of limitations shouldn't apply here either.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:34 pm to castorinho
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Not sure why people here are feeling so strongly about this shite. Who cares
Probably because this man was here for over 60 years and, by all accounts, led a good life as a decent member of society. He raised a family here, his wife died and is buried here, his children and grandchildren live here, and no one seemed to care about his past until recently. He's now being deported to a land he hasn't set foot in since the mid-50s, where he has no family, and where he has no friends or proper connections of any kind. And for what? To make us feel better about ourselves?
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:37 pm to fightin tigers
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That is who the law was intended to go after.
I don't know how some people can't see the ridiculousness of going after some old man almost 80 years after the fact over something he was essentially forced to do at 18-19 years old.
It sounds to me like we just wanted to get one more Nazi before they are all dead.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:38 pm to fallguy_1978
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I just think it's stupid. There doesn't sound like there's any proof this guy committed any sort of atrocities other than serving as a foot soldier at a camp.
And he’s being deported without a fair trial, which makes no sense.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:44 pm to fallguy_1978
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It sounds to me like we just wanted to get one more Nazi before they are all dead.
When they finally deported Palij in 2018 they thought it was the last Nazi.
New info always comes up.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:48 pm to fightin tigers
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When they finally deported Palij in 2018 they thought it was the last Nazi.
And he was.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:56 pm to RollTide1987
Just to be fair, he was an SS soldier assigned to a camp that they could never prove any wrongdoing.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:59 pm to fightin tigers
Are you talking about Palij or Berger? Berger was a member of the Kriegsmarine, not the SS. Palij on the other hand was a member of the SS and thus a member of the Nazi Party by association.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:02 pm to RollTide1987
Palij, but both were Nazi's.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:04 pm to John88
Holy shite the amount of people upset that an ex nazi soldier, who received a pension from his duty, is being deported is insane. This is how you know the political climate has driven people nuts. 20 years ago everyone would be in agreement that he was a pos and good riddance.
IMO it doesn’t matter how old he is. He willingly took part in that and deserves to pay the price for it.
IMO it doesn’t matter how old he is. He willingly took part in that and deserves to pay the price for it.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:07 pm to fightin tigers
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Palij, but both were Nazi's.
Just because you were alive in Nazi Germany and served in their armed forces in World War II doesn't make you a Nazi. Even active members of the Nazi Party - like Oskar Schindler - weren't true believers. When I hear the word "Nazi" I think of someone who actually believes Nazi ideology to their core. Someone like Himmler or Heydrich or Goebbels.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:08 pm to Vinny V
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This is how you know the political climate has driven people nuts. 20 years ago everyone would be in agreement that he was a pos and good riddance.
When Palij was deported in 2018 no one was defending him on this site.
That's why I am surprised it is happening now.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:09 pm to RollTide1987
I think Palij was Polish, he could have easily joined the SS for the paycheck.
I think parsing definitions is pointless in this case.
I think parsing definitions is pointless in this case.
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