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re: U.S. credit card debt stands at a record of nearly $1 trillion

Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:21 pm to
Post apocalyptic baw. Money won’t mean shite and all the gold will be stolen. Thunderdome.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31317 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:25 pm to
I mean, is it that hard to imagine?

The cost of everything has tripled almost overnight. Peoples salaries didn’t triple too.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31317 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 5:27 pm to
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you have to let people fail as well or they will never learn.

Our government is behaving the same way. Arguably worse. Why should people be held accountable and not our government?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57897 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:11 am to
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The number of bad auto loans says hold my beer


Yep, the sub-prime auto loan market started looking bad at the beginning of the year. It's improved slightly, but April's numbers were the worst in almost 20 years. LINK

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Delinquencies that were 60 days or more declined in April for the second month in a row but were up 18.6% from a year ago. In April, 1.60% of auto loans were severely delinquent. That was down from March’s 1.75% rate but was the highest April rate dating back to at least 2006.


Delinquencies are still low, but the drop from Q3 to Q4 of 2022 was completely erased in Q1 of this year.
Posted by jellyfish
Oxford, MS
Member since Oct 2009
2110 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:48 am to
But you will use a debit card, that’s directly tied to your money? If that’s compromised, that’s your money gone.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 7:50 am
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68583 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:49 am to
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$0 cc debt club. Pay that stuff off every month and swim in the rewards points.


Same. Feels good man.

All these losers on here bragging about not having a credit card don’t know they’re throwing away free money.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
2030 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:56 am to
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I mean, is it that hard to imagine? The cost of everything has tripled almost overnight. Peoples salaries didn’t triple too.
Bingo. Wife and I are teachers so we aren’t rich, but we always managed to get by during the lean times, now it’s worse, groceries and gas have shot up. It’s getting harder to get by.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5915 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:56 am to
Just pay that shite off each month like the rest of the OT
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:57 am to
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groceries and gas have shot up


Amex has a card with 6% cash back on groceries and 3% cash back on gas

Its better than nothing
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:59 am to
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United States is in debt to China for twice that amount.
The US debt is primarily held by investment funds which is ultimately Americans retirement investment funds.

Those high paying money market investment manager jobs that you learn the names on the prospectus disclosure mailings? Yeah, they're buying the US debt and transferring it to your 401k/etc. accounts. YOU are holding the US Debt, other countries have bailed out on that.

It's called Securitization. Bundle up debt, use that bundle as collateral (security) to issue new debt (bonds) and all the debt is now capitalized and off the govt. hook essentially. Ponzi scheme to the max. Last one holding the debt gets screwed while the early birds make a fortune.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
2030 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:53 am to
That’s nice, income still where it was before the price increases, using cards when it’s tough still digs into a hole. Need gas and groceries to go back down.
Posted by VictoryHill
Watson, LA
Member since Nov 2013
3254 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:01 am to
I put about $3k on the credit cards every month and pay off the balance weekly. All my bills, groceries, and extracurricular spending go on the cards. Pays for a round trip flight and hotel stay for the wife and I every year.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94757 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:32 am to
My quality of life increased dramatically the day I stopped carrying balances on CCs.

I don't recommend it for anyone.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23342 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:04 pm to
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Why wouldn't you have one?





Got debit card its all i need. Wife has credit card in her name.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12640 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:53 pm to
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What the hell happened in 2010 that caused that jump?

I looked into this and it’s because of a change in the financial reporting requirements. Actual debt didn’t spike, just the way it was reported.

This also makes it pretty difficult to really compare the long term growth rates before and after the methodology change. You can’t simply subtract (or add) the delta from the spike since you don’t know how that additional data would have impacted the numbers years before or years after they changed the reporting.

That being said, if you look at the period from 2000-2007 (trying to remove the 2008 impacts from the equation since the methodology changes right in the aftermath) credit card debt increased at a 5.518% compound annual growth rate. If you look at the period from 2014-2023, credit card debt increased at a 5.430% CAGR.

So over the long term, revolving debt has been growing at about the same rate. However, if you only look at the period from 2021-2023 it increases to 14.997% CAGR. This is of course after a huge drop in revolving debt from 2020-2021, which appears to have been a result of the stimulus packages.

The question will be whether the growth rate falls back in line with the average now that debt has effectively caught back up to pre-stimulus levels.
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