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re: US agency softens opioid prescribing guidelines for doctors

Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71453 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:44 pm to
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Doctors, addicts, and the government are causing normal people to suffer unnecessarily after procedures.

The Feds took a lazy approach to "fixing" a problem. They were already equipped to fix said problem, but chose to take the cheap and lazy route of changing laws and guidelines for doctors which forced many of them to cut nearly everyone off.

The law of unintended consequences took over from there.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295371 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:44 pm to
quote:


Doctors, addicts, and the government are causing normal people to suffer unnecessarily after procedures.


Some addicts will always be with us. You can't stop helping real people out of fear of misuse.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
34786 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:44 pm to
It’s time to bring back Quaaludes. Free the Lude!
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:46 pm to
They're really trying to kill us. It's going to be funny in the end if Alex Jones was right about everything and he was the only sane man this whole time.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:51 pm to
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About time. These nannies are so reactionary.

The current policy is inhumane and only to keep lawyers are bay.



Just get fricking high and don't mess around with that shite. I know physical pain (had a major surgery where I couldn't walk for 4 months) and there's almost no way you could talk me into doing opiates with what I know now. Almost lost a cousin to this shite. Just eat gummies.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71453 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:59 pm to
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They're really trying to kill us. It's going to be funny in the end if Alex Jones was right about everything and he was the only sane man this whole time.


Of course.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295371 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:05 pm to
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and there's almost no way you could talk me into doing opiates with what I know now.


Personally unaffected. I tolerate pain very well.

Doc told my wife to cycle Tylenol and ibuprofen when she had foot surgery. That's retarded. She didn't hardly sleep for a week.

I understand why people end up using street drugs, the medical industry failed them.

This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Mr Boyles
Member since Mar 2022
1600 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:14 pm to
it's like when I get the sniffles - I try to buy batteries and cold medicine and they act like I am a meth head
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:19 pm to
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Considering the Feds got a wild hair up their arse to tighten down on doctors with little warning, which led directly to people in legitimate need getting get off, which led to the explosion in black market fentanyl pill mills......I see this as trying to curb the impact of their initial frick up.
Not only your comments but the fact in their previous knee jerk crackdown they drove over half the pain care specialists out of the market.

I use a 50mg/hr fentanyl patch. The only pain care that will accept my insurance is in Vidalia. Was there yesterday from W. Monroe and guy in the elevator was from BR for the same thing, simple prescription renewal.

So just to continue the regimen, which is necessary for pain control, the system requires in person visit, face to face, for no changes, requires persons in pain to travel 2-3 hours each way over La. railroad track like highways. No telemedicine, no VR, must be in person.

In my case, by the time we drove 4-5 hours total, the script was too late in day to get filled until this am. Meantime, last patch ran out Monday am leading to getting into the cycle, pain causing nausea which caused more pain, negative health impacts. I spent from about 2am today till 9:30am puking my guts out with zero pain relief accessible. Within minutes of applying patch the pain subsided enough to stop puking. All could be avoided with simple refills like non opioids accept all the time.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16176 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

addicts, and the government are causing normal people to suffer unnecessarily after procedures.


THIS.

I don’t really care about the addicts - don’t punish the people with legitimate medical needs.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4989 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

This administration is a disaster from top to bottom


If your goal is to destroy America and the middle class from the inside, then they are quite successful.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3751 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:27 pm to
Todays fentanyl crisis is a direct result of the governments crack down on prescription opioids.

Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3751 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Considering the Feds got a wild hair up their arse to tighten down on doctors with little warning, which led directly to people in legitimate need getting get off, which led to the explosion in black market fentanyl pill mills......I see this as trying to curb the impact of their initial frick up.

Not only your comments but the fact in their previous knee jerk crackdown they drove over half the pain care specialists out of the market. I use a 50mg/hr fentanyl patch. The only pain care that will accept my insurance is in Vidalia. Was there yesterday from W. Monroe and guy in the elevator was from BR for the same thing, simple prescription renewal. So just to continue the regimen, which is necessary for pain control, the system requires in person visit, face to face, for no changes, requires persons in pain to travel 2-3 hours each way over La. railroad track like highways. No telemedicine, no VR, must be in person. In my case, by the time we drove 4-5 hours total, the script was too late in day to get filled until this am. Meantime, last patch ran out Monday am leading to getting into the cycle, pain causing nausea which caused more pain, negative health impacts. I spent from about 2am today till 9:30am puking my guts out with zero pain relief accessible. Within minutes of applying patch the pain subsided enough to stop puking. All could be avoided with simple refills like non opioids accept all the time.


That’s an insane situation, and I’m sorry that you had to go through this.

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42382 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:59 pm to
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This is good.

Lots of people with legit pain who were being managed by doctors had trouble getting medicine because of a very small % of the population who are more at risk for developing addiction issues.


I agree.

I also think they need to reevaluate the pseudoephedrine BS you have to go through for a decongestant. Meth production has been taken over by people using other ingredients. It was semi-stupid when they started because the people using it to make meth were not buying it but stealing it. Just putting it behind the counter like cigarettes would have probably been sufficient. And we have seen 0 change in meth usage or production as a result.

Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77055 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:02 pm to
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Just eat gummies


Gummies or weed isn’t going to touch severe pain. I just went through 6 weeks of hell with a bulging disk and Percocet is the only thing that could touch it. ER doc prescribed 15 5mg. I did use Kratom and that was more effective than the Percocet however.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58464 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Considering the Feds got a wild hair up their arse to tighten down on doctors with little warning, which led directly to people in legitimate need getting get off, which led to the explosion in black market fentanyl pill mills......I see this as trying to curb the impact of their initial frick up.

You should’ve seen how bad my cousin with fibromyalgia was affected when he couldn’t get the medicine he needed. He could barely get out of bed, had cold sweats, diarrhea, nausea, the chills. Fibromyalgia is such a terrible disease
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77055 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:05 pm to
Gaucho you should do your cousin a favor and just put him out of his misery. That fibromyalgia has been kicking his arse for years now.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12272 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:07 pm to
Prohibition never works. Never in the history of history has prohibition been successful. Access to safe drugs is the best thing for everyone. Also, the microscope doctors were put under when prescribing controlled substances has been ridiculous.

Opioids are better for you than the OTC stuff anyway for pain. Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, Aleve can all frick up your liver when taken in quantities needed for a mild opioid to fix your pain. Not everyone taking opioids is a drug addict... most aren't
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58464 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:08 pm to
Honestly without yalls prayers and gofundme I doubt he’d still be with us
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:09 pm to
Awesome. I'm moving to San Francisco. The bums will call me 'the candyman' and it will work as both a movie reference and as me handing out opiates like they're pez.

quote:

—The CDC no longer suggests trying to limit opioid treatment for acute pain to three days.

—For patients receiving higher doses of opioids, the CDC is urging doctors to not abruptly halt treatment unless there are indications of a life-threatening danger. The agency offers suggestions on tapering patients off the drugs.

—The agency is dropping the specific recommendation that doctors avoid increasing dosage to a level equivalent to 90 milligrams of morphine per day.


Oh shite nevermind, it's just some relatively common sense stuff.


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