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re: Urban institute study has Louisiana 2nd in nation in 4th grade reading scores, behind MS
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:04 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:04 am to PrimeTime Money
Yeah, I’m going to need more than a year or two of manipulated data to believe that.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:04 am to biglego
quote:That’s not what it is. It’s comparing different groups to get a more accurate picture.
Such a word salad to say “take out the black kids”
Louisiana’s poor blacks vs California’s poor blacks.
Louisiana’s poor whites vs California’s poor whites.
Louisiana’s wealthy whites vs California’s wealthy whites.
When you compare like groups, you can see which state is teaching their kids better.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 6:06 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:05 am to NIH
quote:This data has been collected for years. That’s how we know Mississippi and Louisiana have made huge improvements.
Yeah, I’m going to need more than a year or two of manipulated data to believe that.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:07 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
If you work in public education you realize this is a “nothing burger”. The schools do not teach the kids, they teach the tests. It really is a shame what public education has become.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Doin’ work even though he’s getting divorced.
Urban institute study has Louisiana 2nd in nation in 4th grade reading scores, behind MS
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:15 am to SaintsTiger
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tries to strip out unfair biases like poverty or systemic racism that drag down scores
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:51 am to Proximo
Let’s use a different example.
Imagine Massachusetts and Louisiana both being expected to make Blue Bell Ice Cream. Massachusetts gets to choose their ingredients from a much different pool than does Louisiana. So given no adjustments, Louisiana’s Blue Bell goes in the trash while Massachusetts’ Blue Bell goes to the store.
When adjusted, the ingredients are the same. And it is clear that Louisiana would be making a much better product than Massachusetts would be with the same ingredients.
Imagine Massachusetts and Louisiana both being expected to make Blue Bell Ice Cream. Massachusetts gets to choose their ingredients from a much different pool than does Louisiana. So given no adjustments, Louisiana’s Blue Bell goes in the trash while Massachusetts’ Blue Bell goes to the store.
When adjusted, the ingredients are the same. And it is clear that Louisiana would be making a much better product than Massachusetts would be with the same ingredients.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 7:52 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:55 am to Old Man and a Porch
quote:If you worked in public education, you’d know that teachers are allowed nowhere near the tests. And any sort of testing discrepancies or something that would question the integrity of the test, would get you fired quicker than being drunk on duty.
If you work in public education you realize this is a “nothing burger”. The schools do not teach the kids, they teach the tests. It really is a shame what public education has become.
However, since tests have become an integral part of every student’s career, and has been for about 30 years, the teacher would be doing the student a disservice if they didn’t teach test taking strategies throughout the year.
Teaching a student how to take a test =/= teaching to the test.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
This must be related to the DIBELS testing that all the Facebook moms cry about every year.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The only people who believe this shite, don't live in Louisiana or Mississippi. Everyone else knows they are just cooking the books. Our kids are stupid than ever.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:31 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Urban institute
I already don't believe.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:40 am to migui8618
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Our kids are stupid than ever
I went to public school in Monroe in the 80s. There were 15 year olds on the playground with fellow 6th graders.
The high expectation bar is lower, but the median is higher.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:42 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
If you ask me, states should be judged based on how well their poor blacks can read. fricking fix all the basic shite. Reading, litter. frick it. I know all about IQ. Everybody has a high enough IQ to read. frick this shite.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:43 am to N2cars
So I will say this. My kids just left a magnet elementary to our local elementary. The scores were incredible at the magnet, but the teachers and admin were terrible. They lacked communication, empathy, understanding of kids, or the principles of teaching. My wife is an admin and I use to teach before going back to private sector.
The school thrived because every kids parent showed up to every event, pushed their kids, and upheld high standards at home.
Our new school, I’ve found the principal and teachers are much better equipped as actual teachers and leaders. My kids are being taught differently and pushed in new directions.
So to the point, demographics can show us how home life affects students, but it shouldn’t reflective of the teaching. I like this study. Also, Louisiana has made seismic shifts in how it teaches reading, it’s finally paying off. Brumfield has been outstanding for the state as superintendent.
The school thrived because every kids parent showed up to every event, pushed their kids, and upheld high standards at home.
Our new school, I’ve found the principal and teachers are much better equipped as actual teachers and leaders. My kids are being taught differently and pushed in new directions.
So to the point, demographics can show us how home life affects students, but it shouldn’t reflective of the teaching. I like this study. Also, Louisiana has made seismic shifts in how it teaches reading, it’s finally paying off. Brumfield has been outstanding for the state as superintendent.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:47 am to PrimeTime Money
Best explanation so far, thanks!
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:48 am to HangmanPage1
Can't find the actual study.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:50 am to Cosmo
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No. They score lower because they cant read good
Read well, Cosmo. They can't read well.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:00 am to clamdip
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Read well, Cosmo. They can't read well.
Have you not seen zoolander?
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:06 am to alajones
I’ve been in public education for 30 years. I am well aware of how it works. If you think teaching the test is for the benefit of the kids, you and I disagree. I understand that’s what accountability dictates now and that’s why I think all data is invalid. In my 30 years I have seen teachers cheat, schools cheat and districts cheat.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:08 am to Rambler
quote:but I don’t believe it
the miraculous improvements in MS and LA scores over the last few years, indicate that the curriculum changes in our public schools are working extremely well.
I’m a youth minister at my church and most kids can’t read. Maybe the methods used in school help them complete their school work, but a lot cannot read at grade level outside the classroom.
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