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re: Upper-class parents are raising their children better than lower/middle-class

Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:58 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:58 am to
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because your OP has parents who don't have a TV in their house whatsoever.


Our parents didn't have a TV in the house, we spent most of our time outside.

In a way, I'm grateful
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17054 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:00 pm to
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Do you know how much a tablet is these days? You can buy an Amazon Fire for like $50.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm stating that not everyone has the means to enrich their kids lives



You are not wrong. We don’t have gaming systems, ipads or even TVs in the house. It’s expensive. 4 kids taking guitar/banjo, piano and violin. According to my wife, they can’t just take leasons, but we have to have a piano and all these instruments in the household, so I had to buy 2 guitars, 3
violins, a cello (sp?), and a banjo and a piano. No beginner shite either because that’s no fun to play and they’ll quit...Oh and they ride english so we also keep horses here too.

Bruh. Somebody get me a $500 ipad, stat.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14862 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:01 pm to
Wow- how presumptuous!

I mean, I know of the everyday struggles surrounding the middle class...but what would cause someone to assume lower class individuals aren't raising their kids the right way???
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Our parents didn't have a TV in the house, we spent most of our time outside

My dad doesn't own a TV
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49577 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:02 pm to
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.but what would cause someone to assume lower class individuals aren't raising their kids the right way???


Years and years of scientific data
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83165 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:02 pm to
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Our parents didn't have a TV in the house, we spent most of our time outside.

In a way, I'm grateful



We had TV in the living room and each of our bedrooms, with no real rules about it other than parental controls on channels, and I spent most of my time outside as well.

I only stopped playing outside when I reached an age where a female would no longer be interested in running around in the woods.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:05 pm to
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quote:
Our parents didn't have a TV in the house, we spent most of our time outside

My dad doesn't own a TV


We could only listen to radio if it involved sports. But we read a lot. My parents were very strict.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:08 pm to
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where a female would no longer be interested in running around in the woods.


Is that possible?... I guess I'm used to Alaskan girls now
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53814 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:08 pm to
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My parents were very strict.

Mine weren't. We had a TV growing up. My parents were divorced and I lived with my dad in what was pretty much a bachelor pad.

As kids we rode bikes, 4 wheelers, played football at the school. I usually didn't come home until dark.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:08 pm to
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I think letting a kid (especially under 13) watch 1-2 hours of TV a day is a really bad deal.


There are countless studies that suggest it can actually have a beneficial effect in moderation. There are more modern studies that actually suggest TV viewership and educational factors are simply correlated, and the real fault lies with hereditary causes. Studies that compared adopted children to non-adopted children in the same home found that television viewing habits had little effect on test scores compared to their genetics.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:12 pm to
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As kids we rode bikes, 4 wheelers, played football at the school. I usually didn't come home until dark.


Now this was true for us. We were free range as most kids were in that age. We had very few restrictions outside the house.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
83165 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:15 pm to
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Is that possible?... I guess I'm used to Alaskan girls now



I think kids of all breeds get to an age where they're interested in boys and whatnot. It doesn't mean I stopped caring about the outdoors altogether. I just wasn't going to play dump trucks in the backyard at 13 years old
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:17 pm to
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Jobs, the CEO of Apple until his death in 2012, revealed in a 2011 New York Times interview that he prohibited his kids from using the newly-released iPad. "We limit how much technology our kids use at home


So what? Steve Jobs doesn't want his kid playing on an ipad. The same guy that denied he was the father of his oldest daughter for years.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:18 pm to
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I just wasn't going to play dump trucks in the backyard at 13 years old


Well yeah, here it's hiking and kayaking.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:28 pm to
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But therein lies my point. The device requires strict parental involvement to be effective which 1) is not realistic and 2) works against forming independence.

If my kid goes outside and plays with his buddies, there are going be problems (building forts, making rules for games, etc.) that they are going to have to figure out and I'm not going to be standing over them playing referee. In fact, that's probably the worst thing I could do in that situation.

But with these handheld devices, in order to be effective, I have to stand over him and say "no, don't go to another app; no, don't flip to a different game."


I completely agree, but I also think you're talking about two different types of activity with two different sets of developmental outcomes.

When kids play on their own with friends, they do develop those social skills which will benefit them greatly.

But I think a kid working on an ipad with, say, a math app is working on different skills. And I don't see how a parent supervising them during that time is any different than a parent supervising their child while doing their homework.

I'm not saying the parent should be a crutch and feed the child answers to problems they can't solve. But rather ensuring that the child continues to push forward and complete the problems (i.e. "no video games until you've finished your math problems")
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46666 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:28 pm to
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Now this was true for us. We were free range as most kids were in that age. We had very few restrictions outside the house.




Hell during the summer my mom would boot my arse out of the house in the morning, let me come in for lunch, then boot my arse back outside until dinner.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:28 pm to
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If my kid goes outside and plays with his buddies, there are going be problems (building forts, making rules for games, etc.) that they are going to have to figure out and I'm not going to be standing over them playing referee. In fact, that's probably the worst thing I could do in that situation.


Can't your kid do this and spend an hour or two in front of a screen? Or at least have the ability to spend an hour or two in front of a screen if he/she so chooses?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:30 pm to
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Hell during the summer my mom would boot my arse out of the house in the morning, let me come in for lunch, then boot my arse back outside until dinner.


Oh yeah.. mom would sometimes lock the door
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6749 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:35 pm to
Lol what does your headline have to do with the article?
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17230 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:58 pm to
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Later it became family policy not to allow kids to have their own phones until they turned 14


This is the part I found the most reasonable. Totally agree with this. But some of that sounded like overkill. No TV's in the house at all? Kids can play video games for 10 minutes A WEEK? Refuse to use their cell phones in their children's presence?

There's a happy medium to be found, for sure, but I'd say that is overkill and not really practical for average Americans.
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