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re: Update: Ten LSU Phi Delta Theta Members Arrested By LSUPD Following Hazing Death

Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:27 am to
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Being in Phi Delt doesn’t insinuate you have money. They’ve always been a garbage, bottom tier fraternity full of castoffs and misfits who didn’t get bids from other fraternities.


What's easier to stomach? A few thousands of dollars credit card debt for plane tickets or 5-10 years in prison?
Posted by MBclass83
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
9352 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:28 am to
Its usually date of birth
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:29 am to
Didn't even realize hazing was an actual charge
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8623 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:30 am to
You mean 0-5 years probation? And that's only if the state won't budge on the negligent homicide.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8164 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:30 am to
Per Wiki:

LINK

Could be Daughters of Bilitis, an international lesbian and feminist organization or Dykes on Bikes, international network of motorcycle clubs.

Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
65703 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:31 am to
They must have watched "Bull" last night.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:31 am to
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Didn't even realize hazing was an actual charge


you need to step your hazing game up then
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61834 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:31 am to
quote:

What's "DOB" mean?
Dirty Ol Baw
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
5513 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:42 am to
still managed to kill a pledge like a top tier fraternity
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78380 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:42 am to
A pledge has the reasonable expectation that he will not be encouraged to drink until he dies . So he takes a shot or two. Then a third and fourth. And this point moral responsibility SHIFTS to those who are still sober and/or in leadership. Now that he is impaired they have a legal and moral responsibility to proceed with caution. Particularly since he is a pledge, and is essentially “ auditioning “ for his spot in the fraternity, and wants to gain their favor. It is highly likely that members knew they went overboard and that at some point a “man of conscience “ should have stepped forward . They let a young kid, away from home for the first month, drink himself to death under their direction. That’s a legal and moral failure that should haunt them every day for the rest of their life.

As a former Frat star in the glory days of irresponsible drinking - I can tell you that I and others understand that we had a responsibility for the pledges welfare. You show them the ropes. You don’t feed them shots until they die. And if they do drink too much, you stay with them and get them medical help . Brother’s keeper and all that .
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30481 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:47 am to
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still managed to kill a pledge like a top tier fraternity



when is the last time a top tier at LSU killed a pledge?
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37359 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:52 am to
Damn, The Advocate has pictures of them turning themselves in:







That cop talking with them by the door hasn't seen the streets in decades.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:53 am to
quote:

A pledge has the reasonable expectation that he will not be encouraged to drink until he dies . So he takes a shot or two. Then a third and fourth. And this point moral responsibility SHIFTS to those who are still sober and/or in leadership. Now that he is impaired they have a legal and moral responsibility to proceed with caution. Particularly since he is a pledge, and is essentially “ auditioning “ for his spot in the fraternity, and wants to gain their favor. It is highly likely that members knew they went overboard and that at some point a “man of conscience “ should have stepped forward . They let a young kid, away from home for the first month, drink himself to death under their direction. That’s a legal and moral failure that should haunt them every day for the rest of their life.


I get the moral argument. I don't get the legal one.

He's an adult that drank under his own free will. Its tragic, but its not a crime IMO.

Now, if there is evidence he was held down and forced to do it, game over.

Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108738 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:54 am to
Hazing is an actual crime? Goddamn there are some pussies in this country.
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
29226 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:59 am to
that dude brought his smoothie king
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:00 am to
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I wonder what penalty a hazing charge carries. Community service?

Edit: §1801. Hazing prohibited; penalties
Hazing in any form, or the use of any method of initiation into fraternal organizations in any educational institution supported wholly or in part by public funds, which is likely to cause bodily danger or physical punishment to any student or other person attending any such institution is prohibited.
Whoever violates the provisions of this Section shall be fined not less than ten dollars nor more than one hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not less than ten days nor more than thirty days, or both, and in addition, shall be expelled from the educational institution and not permitted to return during the current session or term in which the violation occurs.

If only the law you quoted titled "Hazing prohibited; penalties" explained EXACTLY what the penalty is in the last fricking sentence.

EDIT: Goddamnit. I didn't see that you edited to add the citation. I retract my ire.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 10:03 am
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37359 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:02 am to


The fourth student, Zachary Hall, has now turned himself in.

Check out the attorney.
Posted by Steauxn
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Dec 2007
19277 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:04 am to
quote:

I wonder what penalty a hazing charge carries. Community service?


Don't you think it'd be involuntary manslaughter.
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
12195 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:04 am to
damn matthew hit with the negligent homicide charge...
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98157 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:04 am to
So these guys could get minimal criminal penalties, then discharge any civil liability through bankruptcy, and come out of this with nothing but a hit to their credit report for seven years. And maybe some difficulty finding jobs if a potential employer googles their name.
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