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re: Update on "alien" mummies found in Peru

Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:15 am to
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:15 am to
Do you believe there is some cover up in place, or that other scientists are just close minded bigots?
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7274 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Clifford Paiva and the late Dr. Ed Bousfield


What is their alleged expertise? Are they credentialed marine biologists? Are they experts in photo analysis. What fields are they experts in? I am an expert in fraud, and my expert opinion is you are full of crap. Prove me wrong.

The difference between your crappy video and say... Patterson/gimlin is that the PAtterson film was analysed by PHDs in anthropology and bio locomotion who had published peer reviewed papers in scholarly journals.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:30 am to


Some of Paiva's work, I'll let the nonsense speak for itself.

Here's a link for refuting Bousfield and also oh wow perfectly describing how conspiracy theorists and cryptid claimers work.

Man it's like you crack one nut, you crack em all.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:31 am to
Gotcha. That means this thing is around 100 feet long, wider than a steel drum and can move at least 35mph but possibly up to 50-60mph. Wouldn’t that mean the coast guard and military absolutely know about it and anyone looking at sonar would see it?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:31 am to
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Link is broken.


Try this link or this link.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24878 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:37 am to
Even though he knows the definition, he's essentially using the word bigots to describe people that don't completely believe him.

Here's the grainy video
Here are the pictures from his blog

The last two threads this came up, he took forever to post these links. I'm not sure why he's scared to show his "proof" if he's so confident in them.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:43 am to
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Gotcha. That means this thing is around 100 feet long, wider than a steel drum and can move at least 35mph but possibly up to 50-60mph. Wouldn’t that mean the coast guard and military absolutely know about it and anyone looking at sonar would see it?


The US Coast Guard absolutely knows about these animals because we reported our first sighting to them 15 minutes after we had it and then we sent them a detailed description of what the animal looked like which included about a dozen drawings because they asked us to send them as much information about the animal as we could.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7274 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:49 am to
So what you are saying is these guys sayi g the video is legit ia not in the same ballpark as Grover Krantz and Jeff Meldrum accepting Patterson Gimlin. Im shocked.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:51 am to
tldr
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:01 am to
quote:

What is their alleged expertise? Are they credentialed marine biologists? Are they experts in photo analysis. What fields are they experts in?


Paiva is an expert image analyst.

Dr. Bousfield was a retired Research Associate at the Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, and the Royal British Columbia Museum in Victoria, following a long career with the Zoology Division of the National Museum, Ottawa. He researched the reports of sightings of sea serpents for many years and in particular the reports of sightings of Cadborosaurus. (Caddy).
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Do you believe there is some cover up in place, or that other scientists are just close minded bigots?


Both.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:15 am to
What's the money/power motive in hiding cryptids?
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18720 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Both.


What advantage is there for a coverup? ONE person could come forth and expose the 'truth.' Think of the money/fame that would come their way.

Taking a position of a coverup borderlines mental illness. There is no way a world wide network exists to coverup 'sea monsters' or any other contrived fantasy.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Gotcha. That means this thing is around 100 feet long, wider than a steel drum and can move at least 35mph but possibly up to 50-60mph. Wouldn’t that mean the coast guard and military absolutely know about it and anyone looking at sonar would see it?


Bruh, he got stealth technology for bout tree fiddy.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92903 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:05 pm to
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The US Coast Guard absolutely knows about these animals because we reported our first sighting to them 15 minutes after we had it and then we sent them a detailed description of what the animal looked like which included about a dozen drawings because they asked us to send them as much information about the animal as we could.



Ya I saw in the interview with you and your brother that when you first saw it they sent helicopters that flew around 100 feet above the bay looking for it. I would just think that EVERYONE serving in the Navy or Coast Guard who was stationed in that area would have to know about them if they were popping up on sonar. How do you reconcile that with the fact that nobody will admit it?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:22 pm to
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Some of Paiva's work...


Here's Paiva's complete resume including some of his real work as an expert image analyst.


Naval Surface Warfare Center
Dahlgren Division
Joint Warfare Applications Department
Electro-Optical and Infrared Countermeasures Branch
Dahlgren Laboratory

OBJECTIVE: Physicist:
Automatic Target Detection and Recognition (ATR); Electromagnetic Wave Propagation Algorithm Generation; Electro-Optics Engineering

Missile Defense Agency: Propagation Physicist: Electro-Optics, Infrared Countermeasures; Rocket Propulsion and Advanced Image Processing ; Multi-target and Multi-sensor Tracking and Sensor Fusion/Dempster-Schafer


NAVAL SCIENCE EXPERIENCE

Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Laboratory, Dahlgren, VA (1991-2000)

Electro-Optics and Infrared Countermeasures Technologies Division
Primary Responsibilities:

image processing of missile plumes, and nuclear circular error probable predictive capabilities using UV/Optical/IR/MMW SSGM
NORSE/SS-18; SS-27; Dong Feng 31,41 Correlation Analysis
cross-covariance state analysis for multi-sensor fusion algorithm generation
ballistic missile defense target detection, classification and identification (DCI) algorithm generation
implement Advanced Visual Systems (AVS), KHOROS and SCION advanced image processing packages for DCI operations
implement MicroDEM/TERRA Base II Digitized Elevation/Radiation Map Model (US Naval Academy) for DCI operations
Scientific and Technical Intelligence Liaison Office (STILO): Analysis of Foreign Directed Energy Programs
Fusion of multiple sensor data association techniques; including Dempster-Shafer Evidential Reasoning


NAVAL SCIENCE EXPERIENCE

Naval Warfare Assessment Center (formerly Naval Fleet Analysis Center), Naval Weapons Systems, Seal Beach, Corona, CA (1979-1983)

Test Technology Branch
Primary Responsibilities:

High Energy Laser (HEL) electro-optics and pointer-tracker configuration management functioning under Naval Directed Energy Office (PMS 405)
Surface-to-surface and surface-to-air weapons AIM-7 Sea Sparrow Weapons Performance Analysis
Scientific and Technical Intelligence Liaison Office (STILO): Analysis of Foreign Directed Energy Programs


AIR FORCE SCIENCE EXPERIENCE

Air Force Research Laboratory, Rocket Propulsion Directorate, Edwards AFB, CA (1986-1991)

Thermophysics Branch
Primary Responsibilities:

Project Manager: Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) Composite High Altitude Radiation Model (CHARM) Program in Conjunction with Airborne Laser Propagation Analysis
Project Manager: SDI Kinetic Weapons (KEW) Plume-to-Hardbody Handover Algorithm Evaluations Program
Project Manager: High Altitude Observatory (HALO), Aerospace Corporation, Optical and Infrared Target Discrimination Program
Scientific and Technical Intelligence Liaison Office (STILO): Analysis of Foreign Directed Energy Programs

COMPUTER EXPERIENCE

Microsoft Visual C++
Microsoft Office 2000 Professional
UNIX and Windows Based Operating Systems

INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE

SPARTA-Spiral Technology, Lancaster, CA (2002-Present)

Senior Scientist: Infrared and Electro-Optics Propagation Systems

BSM Associates

A research firm founded by Cliff and Jerrine Paiva and Professor, Dr. Harold S. Slusher, which addresses ballistic missile defense issues and includes electromagnetic propagation studies; rocket plume analysis; high-energy laser / transmission line-of-sight atmospheric interactions and potential countermeasures; global fracture system and the generation of earthquakes

INSTRUCTOR

Advanced Mathematics at The King?s Academy, Fredericksburg, Virginia


EDUCATION

Defense Intelligence School, Washington D.C Imagery Intelligence Physics for Strategic Intelligence Operations
Columbia Pacific University, San Rafael, CA Ph.D. Candidate Space Physics
Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, CA Degree: M.S. Astrogeophysics
Christian Heritage College, El Cajon, CA Degree: B.S. Geophysics
Southwestern College, Chula Vista, CA Two Years: Physics and Biology
San Diego State University, San Diego, CA One Year: Mathematics
Missouri State University, Warrensburg, Mo Two Courses: Egyptology, PsychologyI, II
Air Force Command and Staff College Three Courses: Strategy and Policy
Naval War College Four Courses: Strategy and Policy
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) Nine Courses: Advanced EO/IR/MMW
International Society of Optical Engineers Eleven Courses:AutomaticTarget Detection
University of Tennessee Space Institute Two Courses: Solid Rocket Motors
US Defense Management College Two Courses: Contract Performance And Budget Analysis
United States Armed Forces Institute Two Courses: General Undergraduate in English
Antelope Valley College Current Master Chorale and Concertino
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:24 pm to
TECHNICAL PUBLISHED AND PRESENTED PAPERS

High Energy Laser Interactions With Solid Rocket Exhausts: Case Study: PRC/DF-15 (U).A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; AIAA Missile Sciences Conference; Naval Post Graduate School, Monterey, CA; Defense Technical Information (DTIC) Publication; (16-18 November 2004)

High Energy Laser (HEL) Interactions With Liquid Propellant, Rocket Exhaust Particles: Case Application: DF-15 (U): C.A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; 35th AIAA Plasmadynamics and Lasers Conference, Portland Oregon; Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC) Publication; (28 June-1 July 2004)

High Energy Laser Plasma Refraction and Extinction Processes Within Missile Exhaust Plumes: An Analysis of the Taepo-Dong II HEL/Exhaust Plume Interactions (U): C.A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; SPIE's Lasers and Applications in Science and Engineering (LASE) Photonics West); Gas and Chemical Lasers and Applications IV Proceedings; (24-29 January 2004)

High-Energy Laser Beam Transmissions Through Aluminum Oxide and Carbon Soot: A Case for Dispersion (U): C.A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department, 33rd AIAA Missile Science 5-7 November 2002; AIAA-Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC) Publication; Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, C.A.; (5-7 November 2002)

High-Energy Laser Beam Transmissions Through Dissociated and Ionized Atmospheres and Missile Exhaust Plumes (U): C.A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; International Society for Optical Engineers LINK International Symposium on Optical Science and Technology Proceedings, 7-11 July 2002

High-Energy Laser Beam Transmissions Through Turbulent Atmospheres Missile Exhaust Plume Species (U): C.A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department, 33r AIAA Plasma Dynamics and Lasers Conference and the 14th International Conference on MHD Power Generation and High Temperature Technologies Proceedings; American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics; 25 May 2002

High-Energy Laser Interactions With Missile Plumes Containing Oxides of Zirconium and Magnesium in Rocket Exhausts (U): C. A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; Conference on Laser Electro-Optics Proceedings 21 May 2002; Optical Society of America; (21 May 2002)

High-Energy Laser Transmissions Through Missile Exhaust Plumes: The Implications for High Angle-of-Attack (AOA) Scenarios (U): C. A. Paiva, BSM Associates; H.S. Slusher, University of Texas at El Paso, Physics Department; Laser Weapons Technology III Proceedings of the International Society for Optical Engineering, Volume 4724-14; (1 April 2002)

Theater Ballistic Missile Defense/Debris Signature Suppression and Hardbody Aimpoint Selection (U): C.A. Paiva; Applications and Science of Computational Intelligence; Aerospace/Defense Sensing and Controls, Proceedings of the International Society of Optical Engineering (SPIE); AeroSense Conference Proceedings SPIE Volume 3390-6; (16 April 98 )

Navy Theater Ballistic Missile Defense: Post Boost Multi-spectral Discrimination Requirements for Detection/Classification/Aimpoint Selection (U); C.A. Paiva; Infrared Information Symposium Proceedings for Targets, backgrounds and Discrimination (Classified Paper: SECRET), Volume II, (January 1998)

Theater Targets Plume Edge Extraction and Hardbody Aimpoint Selection (U); C.A. Paiva; National Target/Threat Signature Data System (NTDS) Conference Working Papers Aberdeen Test Center, Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD, (15 July 1997)

Theater Targets Plume Edge Extraction and Hardbody Aimpoint Selection: (U); C.A. Paiva; Automatic Object Recognition VII: Advances In ATR Algorithms and Systems I VI; Gerald C. Holst, Editors, Proceedings of the International Society of Optical Engineering (SPIE) AeroSense Conference Proceedings SPIE Volume 3069, (23 April 1997)

Target Edge Extraction and Morphological Image Segmentation for Discrimination of PRC M-9 from North Korean Backgrounds (Using MOSART and APART Atmospheric Radiative Transmission Codes): C.A. Paiva; (Abstracts) Air Force Research Laboratory, Geophysics Directorate 19th Annual Review of Atmospheric Transmission Models Proceedings (1996)


(to be continued)
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:25 pm to
Mobile Foreign Missile Target Edge Extraction and Aimpoint Selection Using Region Growing Morphological Segmentation; C.A. Paiva; Infrared Information Symposium Proceedings for Targets, Backgrounds and Discrimination, Volume II (Classified Paper: SECRET) (1996)

Morphological and Segmentation Processing of Four Mideast Targets Using Synthetic Scene Generator Model (SSGM) and Advanced Visual Systems (AVS) Image Processing Package. US Army Automotive Tank Command Ground Targets Modeling and Validation Conference Proceedings VI (1995)

Maximum Detection Range of Very Low Intensity Targets Using Morphological and Segmentation Image Processing Techniques; C.A. Paiva; Infrared Imaging Systems: Design, Analysis, Modeling and Testing VI, Gerald C Holst, Editors, Proceedings of the International society of Optical Engineers (SPIE) AeroSense Proceedings SPIE Volume 2470, (10-20 April 1995)


Maximum Detection Range of Very Low Intensity Targets (via SSGM VI/OSC 18 ) Using Marr-Hildreth and Sobel Edge-Detection of Fourier Transform Imagery; C.A. Paiva; 18 Annual Atmospheric Transmission Conference Proceedings (1995), Air Force Research Laboratory Geophysics Directorate

Maximum Detection range of Target Edge Intensity Using Morphological and Segmentation Image Processing Techniques; C.A. Paiva; US Army Automotive Tank Command Ground Targets Modeling and Validation Conference Proceedings V (1994)

Angle-of-Attack Effects in CHARM/DSP Data Comparisons (U); C.A. Paiva, (USAF Research Laboratory, Propulsion Directorate), and R.B. Lyons, (Aerojet GenCorp); Proceedings of Joint Army, Air Force, Navy, NASA, (JANNAF) Plume Technology Conference: (Classified Paper: SECRET/NOFORN) (1989)

Cavitation in Macro-Fluvial Processes and the Implications for Geologic Time; C.A. Paiva; Graduate Thesis for Masters Degree in Geophysics (1985); Advisor and Editor: Dr Harold Slusher, Ph.D., D.Sc.; University of Texas at El Paso Physics Department

Maritime Tactical Nuclear War; C.A. Paiva; Research Paper, US Naval War College, (1982)


PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIP

Creation Research Society
Institute for Creation Research Staff Scientist
International Society for Optical Engineers (SPIE)
International Technical Group on Penetrating Radiation (ITGPR)
Optics Society of America (OSA)
American Physical Society (APS)
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Automatic Target Recognition Working Group (ATRWG)
Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) East Asia Working Group
Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) Theater Ballistic Missile Defense: Asia-Pacific Region Working Group
Atlantic Council of the United States Senior Councilor
United States Naval Institute (USNI)
American Society of Naval Engineers (ASNE)
Organization of Naval Intelligence Professionals (NIP)
Affiliation of Christian Geologists (ACG)
Imaging Physicist for Global Underwater Search Team (GUST)

RECOGNITION

Marquis' Who's Who in America: Science and Engineering (2004-5 Edition)
Marquis' Who's Who in America (2004-5 Edition)
Marquis' Who's Who in the World (2004-5 Edition)

U.S. Delegate for Atlantic Treaty Association at 47th General Assembly Meeting of the Atlantic Council of the United States

Recognized as Lead Image Analyst in Washington Times Insight On The News Magazine Article: Noah's Ark? Insight Exclusive (20 November 2000)
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40234 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:25 pm to
Does your family ignore you at holidays and gatherings?
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
6204 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:33 pm to
The websites some of you provide as evidence of your crackpot ideas honestly make me want to weep for the stupidity of the human race
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