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re: Update: NO murder charges in Breonna Taylor death.

Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:44 am to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:44 am to
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That doesn't change my point in the least. If she was, and the police had evidence, obtain a warrant for her arrest. They knew where she worked. They could have easily served an arrest warrant on her way to work, at work, on her way home. Then let the courts or a jury decide her guilt or innocence. They chose to obtain a search warrant based on a former boyfriend using her home address, and carried it out in the middle of the night.


Well and there's the legitimate issue of due process at this point. Even if she was dealing, if they serve that as a regular warrant then she likely gets her day in court to prove otherwise. At that point, they also already had the ex-boyfriend in custody who was clearly the most dangerous of the group as well.

I don't believe they found any drugs in the home in the aftermath either.

There's enough sketchy business on both ends of this, that it's all questionable. LMPD has been shady as hell throughout the whole deal and is already in hot water for previous coverups and bad raids in other cases. I don't trust them either at this point. And the Mayor and Metro Council are culpable for their part for letting them get out of hand as well.
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Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:44 am to
The guy they were looking for was known to live at that address. He had given that address multiple times for different reasons. He had a bank statement in his car with that address on it (which he admitted was true in a phone call from jail). He was recorded via GPS on his car going to that address multiple times, even after being at a known drug house. He received mail at that address, which was found there after the shooting. He regularly used Taylor's vehicle, had and used a phone in her name, and had access to her home when he needed it.

He was recorded multiple times on calls from jail talking about drug dealings with Taylor. Taylor also was recorded talking to another inmate about drug deals. The day after the shooting, after Glover was arrested, he was recorded on a jail phone call talking to his girlfriend where he told her that Taylor had been "handling shite" and she had $8K of his money.

Taylor had also allowed Glover to drive the rental car at the center of a 2016 murder investigation. That car was found abandoned with the dead body of a Glover acquaintance. When questioned, Taylor said she didn't know the dead guy, or how her rental car ended up where it was.

There was also evidence presented that Glover was seen picking up "packages" at Taylor's residence and taking them to a known drug house.

The biggest mistake in obtaining the warrant for Glover may have been not also obtaining a warrant for Taylor.

I said it the other day, and I will say it again: Taylor didn't get "caught up with the wrong people" whe WAS the wrong people.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Posted by CoachDon
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:45 am to
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So I assume there was no body cam footage?


I thought a fact check revealed that body cams were not required for narcotics busts and/or no knocks.

It's addressed on line somewhere in a fact check list.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:46 am to
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I don't believe they found any drugs in the home in the aftermath either.

i didn't know this

holy fricking shite.

intentionally manipulating/avoiding body cameras and possibly initiating a shootout are bad enough, but they didn't even find drugs?

so they're terrible cops on top of being dirty and possibly violent
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:47 am to
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:48 am to
I don't think they found any evidence they were allegedly in search of. I think I remember reading they were also searching for info on her ex-boyfriend who had been using her address.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:48 am to
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There was also evidence presented that Glover was seen picking up "packages" at Taylor's residence and taking them to a known drug house.



Except there wasn't. That "evidence" on the warrant was a statement by the US Postmaster.

They lied about that on the warrant (per WDRB interview with US Postmaster)

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The guy they were looking for was known to live at that address. He had given that address multiple times for different reasons. He had a bank statement in his car with that address on it (which he admitted was true in a phone call from jail). He was recorded via GPS on his car going to that address multiple times, even after being at a known drug house. He received mail at that address, which was found there after the shooting. He regularly used Taylor's vehicle, had and used a phone in her name, and had access to her home when he needed it.



From all accounts she did date him previously and they had been "broken up" for a few months when the shooting happened.

Having worked in education and had to do address verifications on students, someone using someone else's address isn't that uncommon. Especially if they're a criminal trying to avoid anyone know where they're living "officially".

It's very telling to me though that Walker suspected the intruder was Glover himself. That seems to indicate that his access to Taylor wasn't as it was before.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:49 am to
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Taylor didn't get "caught up with the wrong people" whe WAS the wrong people.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:49 am to
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i didn't know this

holy fricking shite.

intentionally manipulating/avoiding body cameras and possibly initiating a shootout are bad enough, but they didn't even find drugs?

so they're terrible cops on top of being dirty and possibly violent


Just because they didn't find what they were looking for doesn't mean it was a bad or illegally obtained warrant.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:50 am to
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She lost her life because of the people she chose to associate with and the life she chose to live. If she wasn't in the drug world, the police would've never focused in on her home. If she wasn't living with the shitbag who fired on the cops, she would've never been caught in the crossfire. All of those were easily avoidable and direct results from bad life choices.

I mean, hell, they found a murder victim in her rental car. That doesn't happen unless you're into sketchy shite.


Sadly, this doesn't matter to BLM, Antifa, and other terrorist organizations that have free reign to do what they want, when they want and to whomever they want. It's the same as the ignoring of black on black crime.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:50 am to
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The guy they were looking for was known to live at that address. He had given that address multiple times for different reasons. He had a bank statement in his car with that address on it (which he admitted was true in a phone call from jail). He was recorded via GPS on his car going to that address multiple times, even after being at a known drug house. He received mail at that address, which was found there after the shooting. He regularly used Taylor's vehicle, had and used a phone in her name, and had access to her home when he needed it.

He was recorded multiple times on calls from jail talking about drug dealings with Taylor. Taylor also was recorded talking to another inmate about drug deals. The day after the shooting, after Glover was arrested, he was recorded on a jail phone call talking to his girlfriend where he told her that Taylor had been "handling shite" and she had $8K of his money.

Taylor had also allowed Glover to drive the rental car at the center of a 2016 murder investigation. That car was found abandoned with the dead body of a Glover acquaintance. When questioned, Taylor said she didn't know the dead guy, or how her rental car ended up where it was.

There was also evidence presented that Glover was seen picking up "packages" at Taylor's residence and taking them to a known drug house.



This is all correct. The search warrant was supported by ample probable cause.

Taylor's death was a tragedy stemming from the improbable confluence of several variables, but it was not a wanton murder or even reckless homicide.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:50 am to
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I mean, hell, they found a murder victim in her rental car. That doesn't happen unless you're into sketchy shite.

and she was never even arrested for it

i'm not saying she was a boy scout, but the shootout was one incident. there is no evidence she shot at the cops. there was, therefore, no justification for her killing

it's not even clear if the police didn't fire first because they manipulated their body cameras or intentionally "forgot them" so that their actions couldn't be objectively judged

what matters is what the cops did and what she did. she did nothing wrong in this situation, by all accounts. the cops? they have some questions. they also didn't even have a warrant for her arrest. so while the cops may be not guilty, they're not guilty in a corrupted system completely slanted in their favor AND they haven't even been proven to be not guilty. we know BT was innocent of any wrongdoing in the incident that took her life
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:51 am to
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i didn't know this

holy fricking shite.

intentionally manipulating/avoiding body cameras and possibly initiating a shootout are bad enough, but they didn't even find drugs?

so they're terrible cops on top of being dirty and possibly violent



LMPD is dirty as frick. Look up the Explorer case. They were literally covering up fellow officers diddling teenage boys.

And the C-J "fact check" had this specifically:

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A subsequent search of Taylor's apartment found no drugs.


C-J Fact Check Article on Taylor Case
Posted by chRxis
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:51 am to
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That doesn't change my point in the least. If she was, and the police had evidence, obtain a warrant for her arrest. They knew where she worked. They could have easily served an arrest warrant on her way to work, at work, on her way home. Then let the courts or a jury decide her guilt or innocence. They chose to obtain a search warrant based on a former boyfriend using her home address, and carried it out in the middle of the night.



exactly... using her past as being in the "drug game" as a valid reasoning for being killed by police is a pretty dangerous precedent to set.... at the end of the day, none of us are saints, so if it becomes ok for police to murder someone because they were allegedly in the "drug game", is it ok for them to show up at an attorney's office, who's allegedly committing fraud, and just shoot him too? how low do we need the bar to be before we acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, we have a problem with police tactics/training and their fulfillment of their duties/power....
Posted by cigsmcgee
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:51 am to
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If she wasn't living with the shitbag who fired on the cops, she would've never been caught in the crossfire.



Police were after her ex, whom they arrested at another location, the same night, likely before the raid. The current BF who defended himself was not involved in anything related to the raid.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:51 am to
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holy fricking shite.

intentionally manipulating/avoiding body cameras and possibly initiating a shootout are bad enough, but they didn't even find drugs?


who gives a frick if they didnt find drugs..they weren't there for a drug bust...they were there to serve a warrant.

Just because the cops come to your house to serve a warrant for a murder you're suspected of committing doesnt mean there's a dead body in your house
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:52 am to
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Having worked in education and had to do address verifications on students, someone using someone else's address isn't that uncommon. Especially if they're a criminal trying to avoid anyone know where they're living "officially".

That's fine.

He still used her bank accounts, phones, vehicles, and her home. She and he were still, admittedly, involved together in the drug business.

At that point, you're complicit in the act, being that you have evidently made no efforts to extricate yourself from that person's involvement in your life.
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