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re: Update: NO murder charges in Breonna Taylor death.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i have stated the officers likely shouldn't be charged
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you keep arguing a straw man pretending that i'm giving some sort of level advice about our current, unfair and deficient system. i'm not
Well, charging decisions need to be made under existing law, not a hypothetical system of ideal law, as you know. It sounds as if we are in agreement on application of existing law. In my view, you should not send men to prison for perceived failings in the overarching legal system. In any event, we will see what the authorities do.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:24 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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so from a legal perspective, are you okay with cops killing whoever is near an active shooter as long as they are fired upon first?
yeah, what about the Miramar shootout
LEO killed a couple innocent people that day
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Do we know that? They were executing a no knock warrant, which was legal at the time.....did they break protocol anywhere?
that depends on what the police did prior to shots being fired
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:25 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Your argument acts like they intentionally fired at her just for being nearby.
No, no it doesn't.
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so from a legal perspective, are you okay with cops killing whoever is near an active shooter as long as they are fired upon first?
That's what I asked.
Doesn't say anything about intention.
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She was caught in crossfire. shite happens when rounds start flying in stressful situations.
Is this okay with you?
What if it's a school shooting? Still no harm no foul if a bystander gets clipped?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:25 pm to The Spleen
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The Spleen
WTF? Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:25 pm to tigerfoot
No matter what happens they are gonna riot, that much is clear.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:25 pm to chRxis
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:26 pm to DiamondDog
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Legal, not legal. Whatever.
wow... just, wow...
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There needs to be a conversation why folks continue to find themselves in these unfortunate situations where they’re relying on one persons split second judgment to determine their life.
so, let me ask you... say, hypothetically, this is her sister, who had nothing to do with any of the afforementioned acts, but was just there to spend the night, and she was killed, instead of Breona, the "drug kingpin" (apparently)... does your view change then? or is it always "justified and within reason" for cops to just shoot people in the fulfillment of their job duties, regardless of situation?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:26 pm to paperwasp
This would be best sent out as a news release at 7:43 p.m. Sunday night.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:26 pm to kywildcatfanone
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This was my point, if the officer didn't fire first, then what are they supposed to do, just be fired upon until they can see who is firing upon them?
That's how cops get killed. It's terrible that she was killed as a result of this, but it would be a different story if the cops fired first, which apparently they did not do.
Take cover until you can figure out what is going on and how best to respond taking civilian safety around you into account. Blindly shooting back into a house when you can't even be sure where the gunman is not what we should do. What if small children are in the house? Just reckless.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:26 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Well, charging decisions need to be made under existing law, not a hypothetical system of ideal law, as you know.
yeah cool
my point in this thread has been consistently decrying our structurally deficient system. i said they wouldn't get murder charges under that system
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In my view, you should not send men to prison for perceived failings in the overarching legal system.
i'm talking about fixing the failings
i know the system will protect LEO as much as it can in most situations, with legal justification to do it
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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so from a legal perspective, are you okay with cops killing whoever is near an active shooter as long as they are fired upon first?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm to NawlinsTiger9
only charges brought by the grand jury was against the officer who fired blindly into the window for wanton endangerment
and the charges show that the GJ believes the "victims" were Breonna Taylor's neighbors
and the charges show that the GJ believes the "victims" were Breonna Taylor's neighbors
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Your argument acts like they intentionally fired at her just for being nearby.
No, they fired at her because she was black, according to BLM.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm to tigerfoot
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did they break protocol anywhere?
let's review the body cam footage to make sure
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm to kengel2
No. He just wants to believe people shouldn’t be held to account for their choices in life. They will draw any comparison to not have to face reality, biblical truths or general consequences for their actions.
Breonna Taylor made the choice to keep high risk company. She paid the price in the crossfire for it.
Breonna Taylor made the choice to keep high risk company. She paid the price in the crossfire for it.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:27 pm to chRxis
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standard background checks, sure... we need to go further... with great power comes great responsibility, and I don't think its too much to ask that we get the absolute best of the best, and not scrape the bottom of the barrel...
like a confirmation hearing? Should a cop have to provide his or her high school yearbook at the job interview?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
The main point here is that these charges have nothing to do with Breonna at all.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it should be so costly to engage in certain behaviors (that we assume are normal SOP in our current system), where they are only used in the most certain or extreme situations.
Fair.
Now, apply that to the poor decision making and lack of personal responsibility on the other side of that coin. We regularly want to hold one side to a standard of perfection while at the same time minimizing or completely disregarding the personal responsibility of the other. That is not a realistic nor constructive approach to any of these situations.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:30 pm to TigersSEC2010
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1. Danger - The best of the best do not want to go work on the streets with the shittiest humans in society with the chance of being killed when they could work in a safe environment for 5-10x pay.
2. Pay - As I stated above, you can never pay enough to attract the candidates you want.
3. Democrats - When even completely justified shootings (i.e. Lancaster, PA) result in riots, it doesn't matter how loud they scream that we need better candidates, ruining officers' lives for protecting themselves will always push people away.
I agree with 1 and 2, and have addressed that with my view, in previous posts... but let's keep the conversation on topic, and not get political, because this isn't a right vs. left situation, when you really look at it.... so, just for the sake of the conversation, let's stay apolitical in our responses... cool?
now, do I think that some of these cases are hills that they shouldn't be trying to die on, per se, yeah, I'll agree with that... however, I will still always go back to we need to expect and do better, as far as police forces serving our public in a completely lawful, truthful, and ethical way.... like SFP said, it's slanted, and at this point, its pretty heavily slanted, no matter what aisle you stand on, you have to see that, right?
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