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re: Update: Alleged Perp in custody: Garret James Ward of BR for 2nd Degree murder
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:47 am to slackster
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:47 am to slackster
quote:You are the one letting race play a factor
This board thinks I'm a liberal because I tend to stick up for minorities more than most, and I can unequivocally tell you I'd have the same exact reaction if the races were reversed. Plain and simple. There are reports that are really bad for Ward, and rumors that are even worse. "Trusting your gut" is the only reason people are even considering Ward may be innocent.
I'm not suggesting that's wrong, but it's perfectly reasonable for the majority of folks to think he should be locked up for life given the reports/statements made public thus far.
People would have the same feeling if it was a black 25 year old well dressed professional who graduated college with no criminal background
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:48 am to magildachunks
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Someone in this thread said he was described as having “big time anger problems”
Someone in this thread claimed a guy he knows in his groupme that claims that he played basketball with Garrett years ago at the URec and he had anger issues on the court.
Rock fricking solid.
I'm not defending this guy or his actions. I haven't once in this thread. What he did was pretty fricking terrible. But crap like that and unsubstantiated hearsay from the victim's daughter about him beating a woman are just noise at this point.
I want to hear the facts that the state brings to the table.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:49 am to lsupride87
It very well could be about race...if the report is true that Ward attacked Red for "no apparent reason"..there's always a motive...maybe the motive was because he was black...we dont know that...just like we dont know if Ward was beating up on a woman and Red got involved and that pissed Ward off and so he killed him because of it
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:50 am to Saskwatch
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The deceased was not homeless, and as far as we know he on the up and up. However, I can't tell you how many times I have had a homeless/panhandler/Crackhead (both white and black) pester me and say crazy shite to me in Downtown/LGD/FQ New Orleans.
Exactly this.
Do I think they need to die? Nope. But, damn they freak people out sometimes. So, this is why I think it was likely provoked. I have been there many times. Do I think even fighting them is right? Nope. But I sympathize here. These panhandlers are out of hand sometimes.
This just makes me want to avoid places that have lots of these people even more. Who knows when you may feel the need to defend yourself and you better hope their are cameras because the witnesses around these panhandlers will not be good to you.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:50 am to MagnoliaStateTiger
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I disagree. If it was a black man in which many posters were either mutual friends or ran in the same circles, I guarantee you people would be wanting to wait for the facts to come out.
Maybe his friends, I guess.
We've got people that have no relation to Ward whatsoever, but they want to see all the facts because of their preconceived bias.
There is nothing wrong with bias, but you should also accept the fact that bias isn't always correct.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:51 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:That isnt what we are arguing
It very well could be about race...if the report is true that Ward attacked Red for "no apparent reason"..there's always a motive...maybe the motive was because he was black...we dont know that...just like we dont know if Ward was beating up on a woman and Red got involved and that pissed Ward off and so he killed him because of it
slackster is saying the only reason people are defending Ward more than normal, well not even defending, just hesitant to beleive all the stories we are hearing and wanting to wait for a trial, is because he is white
I vehemently disagree. I beleive it is because he is not your normal killer based on appearance and background
And I fully beleive people would feel the same about a 25 year old black lsu grad who worked for latter and blum that looked like this
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:52 am to crazy4lsu
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There are sociopaths who are completely functional. Many of them extremely successful.
I am not disagreeing with that at all.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:52 am to TheCaterpillar
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Someone in this thread claimed a guy he knows in his groupme that claims that he played basketball with Garrett years ago at the URec and he had anger issues on the court. Rock fricking solid.
As rock solid as all the anecdotal hearsay y’all are spewing about his character.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:53 am to lsupride87
Take down volod's picture bro
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:53 am to crazy4lsu
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Given how regular an occurrence this is, the mere fact of being pestered shouldn't provoke a man to kick anyone in the face, let alone kill someone.
It is not regular to everyone. I am not in these areas often. Usually for special events and these people weird me out.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:54 am to lsupride87
quote:
people are defending Ward
Who?
quote:
because he is white
not the only reason but...yeah I agree
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:54 am to lsu13lsu
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So, this is why I think it was likely provoked
A guy asking for money isn't going to be an action a jury would deem provocation for an average individual. It may have provoked Ward, but that's because he was highly intoxicated. The jury must consider whether any action would deprive the average person of their self-control, not the average drunk person.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:55 am to TheCaterpillar
The odds of sociopathic tendencies being picked up in a group of friends and family are very small, unless those tendencies are overt. Given that many sociopaths are charming, intelligent individuals, in my experience, people tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:55 am to slackster
quote:The preconceived bias isnt race for most
We've got people that have no relation to Ward whatsoever, but they want to see all the facts because of their preconceived bias.
There is nothing wrong with bias, but you should also accept the fact that bias isn't always correct.
It is the fact he is a well dressed, college graduate, who has a full time well paying job. That bias is what makes people question this more than normal
If ward had a criminal background and looked like this, nobody would have the same bias
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to lsu13lsu
Being weirded out is again no justification for kicking a panhandler in the face. They aren't that difficult to deal with either.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to lsupride87
Dont hate on Riff Raff
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to magildachunks
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As rock solid as all the anecdotal hearsay y’all are spewing about his character.
You mean the people that have known him and his family their entire life that are giving first hand accounts of Ward?
Those are court worthy character witnesses.
The anonymous poster who read in groupme that a guy played basketball with him years ago said he had anger issues is not quite as useful in court.
Again, not defending Ward, but that is literally the only account from anyone that said he has ever had anger issues. Obviously this awful crime involved violence and anger, I'm not disputing that, but by all accounts it was an anomaly for him.
That clearly does not absolve him of his crimes though.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to slackster
quote:
. "Trusting your gut" is the only reason people are even considering Ward may be innocent.
That is the thing. I have heard no one say he is innocent. Most are just saying it isn’t 1st or 2nd degree murder and most likely manslaughter.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to lsupride87
that dude probably has a degree from BRCC
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:57 am to lsupride87
quote:
slackster is saying the only reason people are defending Ward more than normal, well not even defending, just hesitant to beleive all the stories we are hearing and wanting to wait for a trial, is because he is white I vehemently disagree. I beleive it is because he is not your normal killer based on appearance and background And I fully beleive people would feel the same about a 25 year old black lsu grad who worked for latter and blum that looked like this
I'm not arguing it's only because he's white. I'm arguing that people are looking at the total package, INCLUDING the fact that he's white, and the totality of the victim, INCLUDING the fact that he's black, and they're more inclined to give Ward the benefit of the doubt than they would be if the roles were reversed. Plain and simple.
I think you're completely kidding yourself if you believe race plays no part in the way some people are viewing this.
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