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re: Update: Alleged Perp in custody: Garret James Ward of BR for 2nd Degree murder
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:08 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:08 am to crazy4lsu
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They aren't that difficult to deal with either
You sir have never been confronted in the corner of a parking garage by several of them while they demanded your personal items.
Most homeless panhandlers are addicts combined with severe mental illness. All they do throughout the entire day is aggressively confront people trying to get some cash. Do you not see how this puts people in a defensive state?
Mr. Red was not one of these types as far as we know. Not saying this at all happened in this situation.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:10 am
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:09 am to TheCaterpillar
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Equating a simple animal bred to be aggressive with a complex human that people from all walks of life have known for decades is both intellectually dishonest and embarrassing.
Sociopaths are born not made
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:09 am to lsupride87
quote:then you are being naive or disingenuous
I think it plays a non-material part
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:09 am to slackster
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If you switch the races and keep the same backgrounds of the attacker and the victim. You guys argued a few friends of the attacked would want the facts to come out. I conceded that may be true. I don't believe a single non-friend/family member would ask to wait though, other than LSUTangerine.
You are placing motive on a lot of people you don't know - exactly what you're accusing others of doing. I definitely would challenge the story, and so would most people who have found themselves drunk in a marginally dicey area late at night. I have no connection to anyone in this story.
I will say that I don't think this guy was panhandling, though. The panhandlers around Chicago generally leave or go home around dinner time. That's something I am curious about and something that pokes a hole in the panhandler-gone-wrong story.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:10 am to PearlJam
quote:Disagree. I dont think people care as much about race as they do class and educational status
then you are being naive or disingenuous
I think lazy people just like to say race, when people are really judging on other things
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
A question for all the Ward defenders...do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense? Do you think this murder could be justified in any way? I'm not even sure what you all are arguing at this point.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:13 am to lsupride87
quote:That's probably true, but it doesn't change the fact that there are some people in this thread willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the white guy that they wouldn't give to a black guy.
I dont think people care as much about race as they do class and educational status
quote:Maybe. Some people who judge on race like to qualify or justify it by pointing to other things as well.
I think lazy people just like to say race, when people are really judging on other things
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:13 am to mikelbr
I agree I have never thought about pummeling one but I can see where (in this world) someone would. They may catch someone at the wrong time. Having a bad day, drunk, depressed etc.
Consequences if you do pummel one are yours. And this guy will find that out.
Consequences if you do pummel one are yours. And this guy will find that out.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:14 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:15 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:no
A question for all the Ward defenders...do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense?
quote:Would be vrey tough. I do think there are situations in which it could be manslaughter instead
Do you think this murder could be justified in any way?
quote:I am arguing people are surprised so much by this case because of the job/class/education/lack of criminal history of Ward, not his race
I'm not even sure what you all are arguing at this point.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:15 am to tgrbaitn08
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A question for all the Ward defenders...
Who do you think that is?
quote:
do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense? Do you think this murder could be justified in any way?
No and probably not.
What are you arguing?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:15 am to PearlJam
quote:Like I said earlier, a non-material amount
but it doesn't change the fact that there are some people in this thread willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the white guy that they wouldn't give to a black guy.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:16 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
question for all the Ward defenders...do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense? Do you think this murder could be justified in any way? I'm not even sure what you all are arguing at this point.
I think most are arguing that it is manslaughter and not 1st or 2nd degree murder given the rumors and facts known. That for some reason these two got into a situation that escalated to death of one.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:17 am to lsu13lsu
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You are not living in reality. Things escalate. It starts out as panhandling then an argument then a fight then someone is dead. That is how a realitively good guy goes to prison for manslaughter. It his his fault and he will pay the price but guys like Catapiller could be right. This could be an anomaly.
First we don't know if the victim was a panhandler. Regardless, I don't think there are any indications to call the assailant a good guy other than trusting what could be the poor judgment of his family and friends. Given that he couldn't handle his alcohol, and exacerbated a situation to the degree that he reportedly kicked a man in the face while the man was lying on the ground, doesn't strike me as someone I should have empathy for. You act like panhandlers dying from fights with drunk shite heads is a normal occurrence. I don't know where you get that impression.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:17 am to tgrbaitn08
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I'm not even sure what you all are arguing at this point.
This much is clear
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
quote:If the class, socio economic status, and every other detail about this matter were the exact same, except you reverse the race of the victim and accused, this thread would look materially different.
a non-material amount
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
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I do think there are situations in which it could be manslaughter instead
Even given all that all the reports say Ward kicked him repeatedly in the head after he was on the ground?
quote:
I am arguing people are surprised so much by this case because of the job/class/education/lack of criminal history of Ward, not his race
Im surprised at both
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
quote:What he is saying actually, is nola has one of the highest murder rates in the country, from people getting murdered by people approaching them on the street, so there is a good chance Ward was possibly approached in a manor that caused him fear/panic
You act like panhandlers dying from fights with drunk shite heads is a normal occurrence. I don't know where you get that impression.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:19 am to TheCaterpillar
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What are you arguing?
I have no idea
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:20 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense?
No but in his blackout state he probably felt it was. He was still wrong.
quote:
Do you think this murder could be justified in any way?
Yes, a ton of ways. How easy is it to find a bottle, break it and threaten to stab someone? I've seen a woman repeatedly stab a man with a file from a nail clipper. So yeah there are ways.
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