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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
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So, the arrest warrant for the battery does not mention him beating on a woman.
Once again, families story fails the ole smell test
You are crossing over into knighting.
We know there were witnesses. Those witnesses may well live in the neighborhood or work there. If they do you can guarantee the family has direct or indirect accounts of their accounts. There is also the chance the detectives told the family more info than was in the arrest warrant. If it did go down like they report the police might have let them know that their father was doing a good thing that put him in the hospital.
I don't know any of ts to be true but it certainly doesn't "stink" to me on its face.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:It wouldn't be unusual for the family of a victim to have information that hasn't been officially confirmed or made public. I don't have any idea if the family's claims have any ounce of truth, but I think you are making too much out of the fact that certain information hasn't officially been made public yet.
So they havent put it in the warrant, or official paperwork handed over to the media
But detectives are going around telling family members
The police likely have a lot of information that isn't included in the warrant.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:11 pm to lsupride87
Battery isn't as invested as extensively as homicide.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:12 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
You cant cherry pick what you want to believe what the media is reporting. Either you believe what she's writing or you dont.
Just because she writes in the comment section:
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The paperwork we've so far been able to review has not provided answers to that. NOPD did not mention it in their release, either. We'll be sure to follow up when we learn more. Thank you for reading.
Doesnt make it gospel...
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:12 pm to lsupride87
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So they havent put it in the warrant, or official paperwork handed over to the media But detectives are going around telling family members
I understand being skeptical, but is this really so ridiculous? Speaking in an official capacity on a document given to the media and speaking to someone while investigating the case are two different animals.
Also, there is no legal need to update the documents form the second degree battery charge for second degree murder, other than the victim ultimately dying. Whatever information you had that warranted the battery charge is enough for the murder charge once the victim died. The only thing we can really deduct is that the information gathered over the last 2 weeks hasn't given them a reason to drop the battery/murder charges.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:13 pm to PearlJam
quote:Not denying that. However, I dont think detectives would be telling family m=embers information they have not yet made public.....
The police likely have a lot of information that isn't included in the warrant.
Pretty sure the attorneys for ward would have a field day with that correct?
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to lsupride87
quote:There is little doubt the family knows more than had been publicly released. It is pretty silly to think otherwise.
However, I dont think detectives would be telling family m=embers information they have not yet made public.....
quote:I doubt it, unless it compromised the investigation in some way.
Pretty sure the attorneys for ward would have a field day with that correct?
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to PearlJam
quote:From the detectives telling them?
There is little doubt the family knows more than had been publicly released.
Wards attorneys sure hope so.....
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to lsupride87
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I dont think detectives would be telling family m=embers information they have not yet made public.....
of course they would...I had a family member killed a few years ago...we knew more about the case before they even found the killer that no one else knew
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
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Wards attorneys sure hope so.....
I dont get what you mean by this?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
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Not denying that. However, I dont think detectives would be telling family m=embers information they have not yet made public.....
Pretty sure the attorneys for ward would have a field day with that correct?
First, that happens all the time.
Second, you keep avoiding the fact that there were witnesses, you don't think the family has had direct or indirect contact with them? If your father was killed in his neighborhood don't you think your family would hear what the local witnesses saw?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:18 pm to Obtuse1
quote:I would
If your father was killed in his neighborhood don't you think your family would hear what the local witnesses saw?
However, I am speaking directly to the notion the family said the detectives told them Ward was beating a woman
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:19 pm to slackster
Yea, they'll all be sitting in court live - tweeting the bond info and then posting photos of the warrant and gist.
Like others said, the warrant is going to be as simple as possible to limit the scope of the eventual preliminary hearing. There is no need at all to include a bunch of superfluous information.
Like others said, the warrant is going to be as simple as possible to limit the scope of the eventual preliminary hearing. There is no need at all to include a bunch of superfluous information.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:19 pm to tgrbaitn08
Also remember that this originally was a battery investigation for 2 weeks before it became a murder investigation.
You would have to think the family sometime in that window asked how this whole thing came to happen.
Hell, for that matter, I would expect the Ward family via their lawyer to have more details than we do. I doubt it's a one sided affair where only the victim's family has information.
You would have to think the family sometime in that window asked how this whole thing came to happen.
Hell, for that matter, I would expect the Ward family via their lawyer to have more details than we do. I doubt it's a one sided affair where only the victim's family has information.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:21 pm to lsupride87
I know very little about this, but did hear old boy was definitely not with his girlfriend that night
so I mean could have been beating on some other random woman
so I mean could have been beating on some other random woman
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:23 pm to BilJ
I wonder if it was a prostitute that stole his wallet?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:23 pm to BilJ
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so I mean could have been beating on some other random woman
Maybe a woman he picked up at the party?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
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If your father was killed in his neighborhood don't you think your family would hear what the local witnesses saw?
I would
So based on that alone you have to admit the daughter may indeed know there was woman involved and Ol' Red got in the middle of it. Again not saying it is true but it doesn't fail any smell test on its face.
Officers tell victims and victims families all sorts of information. Have you ever been a victim of a crime and dealt with the police? They tell you all sorts of info about the crime and what witnesses said and things they know about the accused.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:25 pm to Obtuse1
quote:I would hope officers would not say anything that has not yet been documented/vetted/made public.
Officers tell victims and victims families all sorts of information. Have you ever been a victim of a crime and dealt with the police? They tell you all sorts of info about the crime and what witnesses said and things they know about the accused.
Now, if what the family says is false, fairly or not, it would discredit the witnessess in the eyes of many
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