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University enrollment down nationwide, but way up at some institutions (LSU included)

Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:31 pm
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:31 pm
Some high school kids are rethinking college and questioning the value of a degree altogether.

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‘Universities are going to continue to suffer.’ Some colleges struggle with enrollment declines, underfunding

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Increasingly, high school students are rethinking the value of college, with a growing number of them questioning the return on investment. Some have decided against a four-year degree.

To be sure, undergraduate enrollment was falling even before the pandemic, but remote learning — coupled with the sky-high cost of college — triggered a nosedive. The number of undergraduates enrolled in college nationwide is now down 9.4% compared to two years ago — a loss of nearly 1.4 million students.

Those steep declines caused tuition revenue to fall, putting some schools in financial jeopardy. A few have had to shut down entirely.


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To stay afloat, some colleges have cut faculty and slashed areas of academic study, including programs in sociology, creative writing, music and religion.

“Entire philosophy departments, history departments are closing down,” Lakhani said.


This isn't a universal fact - LSU is bucking this trend, possibly because tuition is relatively affordable and the university is benefiting from proximity to rapidly growing cities like Dallas and Houston. The 2019 football team being one of the best in history certainly helped too.

Flagship public universities are seeing increase in enrollment, likely because the value of their degrees relative to the cost of tuition are more favorable than smaller, private alternatives.

Over 37,000 students are now enrolled at LSU, and the university's incoming class has set record gains on the academic quality (GPA, ACT score).

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Once again, LSU has brought in its most accomplished freshman class in university history, with an all-time high median GPA at 3.78, and an ACT composite of 25.5.

The freshman class is made up of 67.5 percent of students from Louisiana and 32.5 percent of them from out of state. About one-third of the freshman class are first-generation college students.

“We welcome an accomplished group of students to engage with our committed and talented faculty,” said William F. Tate IV, LSU President. “Students and their families understand that attending a flagship university provides a pathway to participating in discovery across academic fields. Opportunity to learn abounds.”

This year, 7,367 freshmen enrolled surpassing last year’s record of 7,038 freshmen enrolled. Overall enrollment at LSU is also at an all-time high of 37,354 – 28,899 undergraduates and 4,584 graduate and professional students, along with 2,871 LSU Online students – 1,160 undergraduate and 1,711 graduate and professional.




So don't expect parking and the housing situation on and around LSU to improve anytime soon. They will be knocking on the door of 40,000 students within a couple of years if this continues.

It's happening elsewhere too: Ohio State is now right at 61,000 students at the Columbus campus. Arizona State is now up to nearly 55,000 students. Texas A&M has grown to an astounding 72,000+ students.

Conclusion: The younger generation is making more pragmatic, logical choices about higher education. Fewer of them are going to college, and the ones that do are choosing schools with reasonable tuition prices and whose graduates are seeing competitive salaries in the job market.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 6:36 pm
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1216 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:33 pm to
This is the type of stuff that needs to happen to bring out of control tuition costs down
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102493 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:38 pm to
Tennessee is seeing record numbers.

So much that they had to rent out an entire hotel to house students.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:40 pm to
Some of those bullshite private liberal arts colleges shouldn't have stayed open as long as they have. They were never really competitive or rational first choices, but for some reason they were considered fall back schools for kids who couldn't get into Duke, Vandy, Princeton, etc.

Large public universities like LSU, A&M, Miss State, Mizzou, Georgia, Arizona State, and the like are much better values and better options if you aren't insanely rich.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
22743 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:40 pm to
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university's incoming class has set record gains on the academic quality (GPA, ACT score).


Isn’t this technically because LSU doesn’t require reported scores anymore, therefore eliminating the lower end of the score average by simply omitting it. That kind of seems like it would fluff those numbers.
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:41 pm to
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Isn’t this technically because LSU doesn’t require reported scores anymore


SEC schools never do...for athletes.

And high schools have been coaching students for the ACT specifically for a while. Not sure it's a great measure of future performance anymore.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 6:44 pm
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:42 pm to
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with an all-time high median GPA at 3.78, and an ACT composite of 25.5.


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About one-third of the freshman class are first-generation college students.


Yea that's kind of hard to believe
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
7587 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:44 pm to
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This is the type of stuff that needs to happen to bring out of control tuition costs down


They'll just raise tuition to make up for the lower enrollment numbers
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66020 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:46 pm to
Good.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:46 pm to
LSU basically removed any qualifications for entry

This is a bad brag
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:48 pm to
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Yea that's kind of hard to believe


I can believe that applicants say that to boost their chances at a scholarship or acceptance. And universities proudly parrot it. Does anyone verify it?
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11956 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:50 pm to
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Once again, LSU has brought in its most accomplished freshman class in university history, with an all-time high median GPA at 3.78, and an ACT composite of 25.5.


This is median not MEAN. Both mine were much higher but median doesn't mean much anyway, but it does fool a bunch of people that don't know what it means.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8078 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:51 pm to
Make it easier to get in and at the same time make it easier to get loans that take forever to pay off, what could go wrong?
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
2195 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:01 pm to
Having worked in higher ed, at least in my institution, they started admitting more students but the academic quality of the students they admitted plummeted. To the point where, at the moment, there is an academic crisis in my school (housing some of the tougher majors on campus) almost certainly due to under-qualified students getting admitted to majors where they just are going to greatly struggle to be successful.

Of course, as an employee, you can't tell students that they are woefully under-qualified and should consider a different major. You also can't tell kids that they're wasting their time and money taking random classes and that they need some more direction.

I don't really know what higher ed needs. But, I think that a big problem is that "the customer is always right" philosophy is dominant in higher ed, meaning that faculty/staff fear telling students what they might need to hear, and instead feel like they have to tell students what they want to hear.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:03 pm to
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They'll just raise tuition to make up for the lower enrollment numbers



Some of them are closing down and shuttering entire departments.

Again...healthy move IMO.
Posted by Intelligent
Member since Jun 2017
675 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:05 pm to
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
18559 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:06 pm to
There should definitely be an audit of failing schools and if by a certain point, the school doesn’t have higher graduation stats in specific majors like engineering, finance, etc, then they get the ax.

Allowing kids to go to these BS schools only to have zero chance at jobs because their degree is worthless is doing the kids an injustice
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:19 pm to
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LSU basically removed any qualifications for entry



Not true. They are doing exactly what almost every other university in the country is doing with holistic admissions. If you have a good enough story and dazzle them with extra curriculars, they may place less emphasis on GPA or standardized tests.

This is how Yale, Harvard, and Princeton discriminate against excellent new applicants while building diversity and reserving spots for less competitive applicants with connections to the university.

The unfortunate trend at those top tier institutions is driven by their lofty goals and possibly unreasonable quotas based on the race of matriculating applicants. Unfortunately not enough top tier minority applicants exist to go around, so they end up letting in some that would otherwise go to lesser universities like Duke, Vandy, and Northwestern - so they in turn do the same thing and take the type of candidates that would normally be more competitive at bigger public universities. And they do the same thing to their lesser competitive peers.

By the time you get to some of these tiny private northern universities with no real academic credentials (or an HBCU like Southern) the quality of minority applicants willing to go to the university is extremely low. Those colleges often have to choose between paying the bills or letting in a bunch of people that shouldn't be there. IMO a lot of these should scale back or close down.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 7:21 pm
Posted by r0cky1
Member since Oct 2020
4060 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:20 pm to
Kids will keep wanting to go to sec schools and party for better or worse.

Better football team will only help enrollment. Bama is a clear indictment of that. The major con however is barely any of these kids stay in state. Unlike our rival universities besides ole miss.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:21 pm to
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They'll just raise tuition to make up for the lower enrollment numbers


And they'll continue to bleed Students

Either they lower prices to be competitive with online schools or the new informed graduating senior classes will spurn them
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