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re: United's dragged passenger hires high-powered Chicago personal injury lawyer
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:52 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:52 am to LNCHBOX
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By doing what he did Are you serious?
Come on man... They kicked off a guy who had a legal right to be in his seat by contract, who was doing nothing but sitting peacefully. Then the police called the cops and claimed he was tresspassing when he really wasn't.
Airlines can't just make up rules out of the blue and one ended contracts that only the airline knows about. That's not how this works.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:53 am to Tiger in NY
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Lol, no. Not at all similar. You can't be thrown out of your house for being too drunk or loud.
A rental? You absolutely can.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:53 am to NYNolaguy1
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The contract doesn't describe remedies for booting off a person not related to an oversold situation
Meh, the contract gives them the right to remove anyone that could be considered a danger. Initially, not the case, but once he refused to leave, their right to have him removed is enacted. Again, his recourse is in court, not on the plane.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:54 am to NYNolaguy1
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Come on man... They kicked off a guy who had a legal right to be in his seat by contract, who was doing nothing but sitting peacefully. Then the police called the cops and claimed he was tresspassing when he really wasn't.
Airlines can't just make up rules out of the blue and one ended contracts that only the airline knows about. That's not how this works.
That has nothing to do with him making them forcibly remove him.
I'm not defending United here.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:54 am to Tiger in NY
Do you actually know these things from reading the contract or are you just talking out of your arse?
- How is sitting in a seat you were told by a boarding agent to sit in make you a "danger".
frick it I'm going to work. Final conclusion - United was terrible long before this incident and will lose millions in revenue, legal fees, potential payouts. Random Vietnamese doctor is a hero.
- How is sitting in a seat you were told by a boarding agent to sit in make you a "danger".
frick it I'm going to work. Final conclusion - United was terrible long before this incident and will lose millions in revenue, legal fees, potential payouts. Random Vietnamese doctor is a hero.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:55 am to CCTider
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Just because someone did done sleazy, scummy things, doesn't mean their rights disappear, and they're forever subhuman.
I did not say all that. I've been back and forth on this. When an a-hole (security guy), big business, and a crazy man collide, it will be a spectacle.
Everyone here was in the wrong. It is just who is "wronger". It also comes at a time when United and ALL major airlines are overreaching in their shady practices. They have never recovered from upping the prices with soaring gas prices 8 years ago. They took away free baggage, and United recently made checked bags cost money. Unless you want to pay the fees for business class or first class, you got the feeling you are dirt. This just threw it in everybody's face.
I hope United gets fricked up a little bit over this. Not because that guy was perfect, but because United is shitty. They have taken the plumber, contractor, or cable guy attitude. "Don't like it? frick you. Buy your own plane and get a pilot license!"
Just a business culture that needs an adjustment. People who aren't paying thousands but ARE paying hundreds for tickets/fares are treated like livestock.
Spirit Airlines is dogshit, but at least they are transparent in their shittiness.
Southwest must be wringing their grubby paws.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:55 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:56 am to Sneaky__Sally
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That seems ridiculous
So does the idea that some crybaby making a scene just gets to stomp his feet and throw a tantrum, and then be able to remain on the flight.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:56 am to LNCHBOX
quote:They're not two separate issues. If they had no right to remove him from his seat, then he has no reason to comply. Just because they decided to continuous their invalid removal attempts by forcibly removing him, doesn't somehow make him the only culpable party.
No, you're mixing two separate issues. Again.
I'm not saying he is blameless, but putting the blame solely on him when they messed up too is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:56 am to Jorts R Us
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So this guy should get some insane judgement because of this incident?
He will and some other moron will start doing stuff like this to provoke situations where they can the be the next SJW /social media morons pet and be the next recipient of a nice settlement.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
There is absolutely no excuse for United to ever let it get to the point of having to use physical force. United started announcing at 3:40 they needed volunteers. You absolutely can't tell me they didn't have many options to get 4 people to Louisville at 3:40, including putting passengers on other airlines. Or, you put your own crew on other airlines.
Furthermore, I don't know why everyone is blaming the Doctor for not moving. He was singled out, period. For no reason at all. There should never be a reason to single out someone for removal, it should be a bidding process to the entire 60+ people that way whoever has the most time and will take the least amount of money to persuade will do so.
Furthermore, I don't know why everyone is blaming the Doctor for not moving. He was singled out, period. For no reason at all. There should never be a reason to single out someone for removal, it should be a bidding process to the entire 60+ people that way whoever has the most time and will take the least amount of money to persuade will do so.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:58 am to buckeye_vol
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They're not two separate issues
Yes they are.
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Just because they decided to continuous their invalid removal attempts by forcibly removing him, doesn't somehow make him the only culpable party.
Yes it does.
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but putting the blame solely on him when they messed up too is ridiculous.
His mess up and their mess up are two separate mess ups.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:58 am to LNCHBOX
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That has nothing to do with him making them forcibly remove him.
I'm not defending United here.
Maybe I just haven't read about it, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he was being anything but peaceful.
Are you saying because he didn't get up when the police told him to this is his fault? Even though legally he didn't have to?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:59 am to Tiger in NY
quote:What?
Meh, the contract gives them the right to remove anyone that could be considered a danger. Initially, not the case, but once he refused to leave, their right to have him removed is enacted.
They have no right to remove him, but because they tried to remove him, and he exercised his right to refuse, they now have the right to remove him?
You're basically saying that despite not having the right, they actually have the right.
This is the dumbest argument I've seen yet.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:00 am to stendulkar
United overbooking is a stupid move, but beyond that, in no way am I upset about the manner in which they removed that clown.
He acted like a small child over it and wasn't physically harmed at all.
Also, assuming the reports of him being found guilty of trading prescription drugs for sex in 2003 are true, how on earth is that little shite a licensed physician?
He acted like a small child over it and wasn't physically harmed at all.
Also, assuming the reports of him being found guilty of trading prescription drugs for sex in 2003 are true, how on earth is that little shite a licensed physician?
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 9:01 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:00 am to LNCHBOX
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quote: but putting the blame solely on him when they messed up too is ridiculous. His mess up and their mess up are two separate mess ups.
What if he had the legal right to be there? Too many people are assuming he was in the wrong because of a "contract", when in reality there's a solid chance he had the right to be in his seat. If he was in the right, and still refused to move is he then wrong?
I don't see how if I paid for a seat, and I'm sitting in my seat, how I am wrong for not wanting to move?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:02 am to stendulkar
Somebody bout to get paid
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:02 am to baldona
Since when is self defense an act of violence to get you arrested? That's exactly what anyone that says he was acting illegally says.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:03 am to buckeye_vol
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They have no right to remove him, but because they tried to remove him, and he exercised his right to refuse, they now have the right to remove him?
When they go talk to him to ask him to leave, which they tried at first, and he starts yelling and whimpering, he is, at that point, an unruly passenger.
United was stupid in how they handled it, but based on what I just read in the Contract of Carriage posted anove, they were within their rights to boot the guy.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:03 am to LNCHBOX
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That's irrelevant. He made them forcibly remove him. That's on him at that point.
Wrong. He sat in the seat he paid for. They decided he was supposed to leave and chose to forcibly remove him. He didn't make them do anything.
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