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re: United 23 - fifth plane on 9/11? (Beware, long read)
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:37 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:37 am to SidewalkTiger
This sounds like a workplace rumor gone wild. MO is completely different from the other hijackings and they definitely wouldn't have sent someone by "himself".
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because they had large hands with hair on the back of them. "It was definitely a male underneath that [niqab]," Thorngren told TMZ.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:57 am to Bama Bird
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they definitely wouldn't have sent someone by "himself".
There were like 4 "suspicious people" on the plane.
Having a kid and a guy dressed as a woman is definitely different though. Maybe they just read too much into it.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:37 am to s0tiger
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Let me get this straight. The would be hijackers were in first class, and accidentally hid their box cutters in the back seats…of a different plane?
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The theory is cleaning / support contractors who had access to the planes staged the weapons, but on the wrong plane. Not the the hijackers got on a different plane, put them in the seat back and then went to a different plane. Not hard to grasp what the article is saying.
But I thought the reason they used box cutters is because they could get them through security at the time.
The terrorists successfully did so on the actual 4 planes that were hijacked. However, this conspiracy theory wants us to believe that plan (that actually worked) wasn’t good enough. Instead, they had to employ a bunch of shadowy airline contractors, drag them into a much more complicated plot, but it failed.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:01 am to Wishnitwas1998
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That would mean they had the ability to use actual planes on the WTC but for whatever reason chose not to for the other two (or just pentagon) for some bizarre reason opening themselves up to the massive possibility of the whole thing getting exposed
Don't bring logic into people's Conspiracy Porn fantasies.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:41 am to cwil1
exactly--that maneuver was extremely difficult, not to mention flying mere feet off the ground for a long distance and....WHY did this plane fly over the pentagon and make that crazy descending turn and fly into the building where it did---which just happened to be the office investigating the missing trillions of dollars. The plane (if there was a plane) could've made a straight shot hit into the pentagon from its original path. Seems like it was hellbent on hitting a specific location eh?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:52 am to SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:55 am to SidewalkTiger
Think of how many more deaths would have happened if Israel didn’t send out the warning to dial citizen Israel’s living here in the days prior.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:14 am to The Boat
Careful - facts are very upsetting to conspiracy theorists. They’ve made up their mind already and don’t want anything they may have to evaluate to make a well reasoned decision.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:28 am to SidewalkTiger
Ben Sliney making the call to ground all planes nationwide minutes after the twin towers were struck inevitably saved lives. There’s no doubt in my mind that more hijackings were going to take place before the grounding. This doesn’t surprise me at all.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 7:32 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:35 am to Mor Miles
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I’ve long wondered if flight 93 wasn’t shot down into that field before it could hit the White House, and that they sold us the story of the heros who crashed it because it was easier for us to stomach than the grim reality of our own government shooting passenger airplanes out of the sky.
That theory has been debunked for a long time. The 2 fighter pilots were interviewed and they said that the F16s had no weaponry or missiles on them. They were supposed to ram the plane into the ground which never happened. U93 crashed before they were able to reach it.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:36 am to Sneauxghost
quote:How else was government going to convince patriotic citizens to leave their home and risk their lives to go half way around the globe to save the Petro Dollar...errrrrrrrrrrr....kill those terrorists to preserve our freedom.
That doesn’t explain the towers’ collapse, the missile that hit the pentagon, the lack of plane parts at the pentagon or in the field, the charges detonating in the towers and the charges detonated later that afternoon bringing down another building, I could go on for a while.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:02 am to cwil1
We drove by the Pentagon a few months later. It took some skill -- and luck -- to hit that building they way that plane hit that building. Not saying that it didn't happen as commonly reported, but the Pentagon sits down near the river and the land rises up pretty steeply from the side that was hit.
The Pentagon is no small building. I would compare it to five Jordan-Hare's arranged in a pentagon and the plane took out most of one of them.
The Pentagon is no small building. I would compare it to five Jordan-Hare's arranged in a pentagon and the plane took out most of one of them.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:07 am to Sneauxghost
IUJF
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:33 am to Woolfpack
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It’s all so tiresome arguing with fools. It really doesn’t help that the official report is not entirely truthful.
So, you believe the liars...but those who question those liars, they're the fools.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:46 am to Woolfpack
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Lots of people were stuck in traffic on 9/11 and saw the plane hit the pentagon.
There are plenty of things to question about 9/11 but of course the hard core people about it overplay their hand and do a disservice to the cause by making themselves look like idiots.
The “no planes” people are the worst of the bunch. Planes hit the WTC. A plane hit the Pentagon, it wasn’t a missile. Unless the missile was painted in American Airlines livery.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:51 am to Woolfpack
My aunt and uncle watched it happen from their office and drove by it on their way home.
You can argue the official story was incorrect.
You can suggest (and I have my own suspicions) that it had something to do with the missing DOD money.
But two planes hit the towers and one hit the pentagon.
Any argument suggesting otherwise undermines valid questions about that day and other topics.
You can argue the official story was incorrect.
You can suggest (and I have my own suspicions) that it had something to do with the missing DOD money.
But two planes hit the towers and one hit the pentagon.
Any argument suggesting otherwise undermines valid questions about that day and other topics.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:54 am to idlewatcher
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Couldn’t someone subpoena the FBI files from this? Or did they try and met with “sorry, confidential until 2090”?
Believe they were met with some variety of "this is still an active investigation" in like 2023.
Which is interesting.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:01 am to Ghost of Colby
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But I thought the reason they used box cutters is because they could get them through security at the time.
The terrorists successfully did so on the actual 4 planes that were hijacked. However, this conspiracy theory wants us to believe that plan (that actually worked) wasn’t good enough. Instead, they had to employ a bunch of shadowy airline contractors, drag them into a much more complicated plot, but it failed.
I recall it being reported at the time that boxcutters had been found on grounded planes.
Maybe they were unrelated boxcutters, maybe the government wanted us to believe they foiled some of the terrorists.
It's possible this entire story is true but it was all a coincidence, I don't understand why the supposed terrorists would be worried about retrieving anything from the plane after it failed to take off though.
Who knows?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:19 am to cwil1
They sure shut him up. Evil abounds.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:The smartphone was late in the decade. I think I had a Startac or a Nokia in 2001.
I've been very interested in the early 2000's historically lately, I'm 30 so I still remember a lot of the events but was a kid so I didn't soak a lot of it in.
Was a very interesting time with the 2000 presidential election, 9/11, War on Terror, Katrina, the financial crisis, rise of the smartphone, etc
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